Front-End Loader BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT

   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #61  
I have had mine for about 10 years. I got a bigger tractor with more weight and power. I got into some rock and bowed the bottom of my bucket.:thumbdown:

Maybe an acceptable concept in very sandy (Florida) soil, but near certain bucket damage in heavier clay/rock soil.
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT
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#62  
Maybe an acceptable concept in very sandy (Florida) soil, but near certain bucket damage in heavier clay/rock soil.

What is really an acceptable concept is tractor operator prudence.
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #63  
What is really an acceptable concept is tractor operator prudence.

Yep. can't leave your brain back at the house... But then again some people can break an anvil. Some people are just clueless about anything mechanical.
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #64  
I have had mine for about 10 years. I got a bigger tractor with more weight and power. I got into some rock and bowed the bottom of my bucket.:thumbdown:

Yeah, that's why I upgraded to a heavy duty bucket, hoping not to wreck my bucket with the bucket-spade. Unfortunately it doesn't fit the heavy bucket...
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT
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#65  
Wait, wait. The bucket spade does not fit your bucket with your aftermarket cutting edge attached. Don't causally impugn anyone's reputation with an incomplete, inaccurate post. Acknowledge your personal responsibility. You ordered the tractor options.

Impossible for manufacturers producing a standardized product to allow for aftermarket additions, like your bolt-on edge.

When you take the aftermarket bucket edge off I am confident the spade will fit securely.


And, Turkey, .....you are welcome for the pictures and the effort my 72-1/2 year old body made to mount/dismount the 110 pound spade solely for your pictures.
 
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   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #66  
Wait, wait. The bucket spade does not fit your bucket with your aftermarket cutting edge attached. Don't causally impugn anyone's reputation with an incomplete, inaccurate post. Acknowledge your personal responsibility. You ordered the tractor options.

Impossible for manufacturers producing a standardized product to allow for aftermarket additions, like your bolt-on edge.

When you take the aftermarket bucket edge off I am confident the spade will fit securely.


And, Turkey, .....you are welcome for the pictures and the effort my 72-1/2 year old body made to mount/dismount the 110 pound spade solely for your pictures.

Jeff, I respect your experience in many matters, and of course when you said your L2296 worked with the bucket spade, I hoped mine would too. I'm a newbie. I may have missed fine print. Or did I? I do not agree with the presumptions of your post that it was incomplete or inaccurate.

I researched everything I could think of before I purchased in my new tractor toys. I bought it all from the Kubota dealer for an extra bit of making sure it would work together. The _only_ thing I did not buy from the Kubota dealer was the bucket spade, in fact when I mentioned it to them they said it was a bad idea, presumably w.r.t. the bucket integrity but I couldn't say.

Nothing in my purchase process flagged my bucket configuration as "aftermarket". There was no clue to me. The purchase order is L2296 72" HD Bucket w/ TL1748 bolt on edge. I just assumed ALL L2296 buckets were likely to have bolt on edges.

Then there's the bucket spade site. To be sure, I could have been more careful. If I'd carefully measured my bucket (which I didn't have yet), and if I'd clicked on and analyzed the "Product Dimension Picture" I _might_ have figured out that it wouldn't fit, or I might not. There's no dimension for the lip edge. There's no caution about the lip edge at all, in fact, and its need to fit, on the web site. At least not easily visible from the main page for the product Tractor and Skidsteer bucket spade shovel. There is a small gif showing the thing sliding onto a bucket, with something resembling an edge. That's it.

As far as I'm concerned what's on the web site was somewhat incomplete. What I had was a reasonable expectation it would clamp to my bucket. There was you saying it fit your same model bucket. And not one scent of "oh, bolt on edges mean it won't fit", anywhere.

As for impugning the vendor's reputation, I specifically said that it wasn't my intent to malign the product, that it seems well built, but that there was some impedance mismatch in ordering it.

And, at this point, I have reached out to the vendor, whose replies were not what I wanted to hear, along the lines of wedging in steel plates.

So at this point my take is this.
1. Yes, I accept some of the blame, perhaps there was more I could have done to vet the bucket against the bucket spade product.
2. However: the bucket spade site does NOT adequately disclose the dimensions and critical contact points that must be met to use the product, or indicate in any _obvious_ place associated with the product any clues as to how it might not fit with some buckets.
3. I still believe it's a fine product, just not for my bucket.
4. I'm not entirely happy with the vendor's disclosure of these things, or handling of my inquiry.

I do not accept Jeff's statements that I should have understood a common bolt on edge configuration would make the bucket spade incompatible with my bucket. There was insufficient information to make that clear. Even if I them and asked if it fit an L2296 bucket, the presence of a bolt on edge might not
even have entered the conversation because to me it was pretty much a standard thing, so perhaps a phone call wouldn't have done much. Or perhaps they would have asked. That ship has sailed.

If I didn't have pallet forks I might be out $400 on a product I can't use, it isn't clear if the vendor would accept any return or responsibility. Fortunately I do have pallet forks, and the product works with those. But if you're a considering purchasing this product for a bucket and don't have pallet forks, BUYER BEWARE - it may not fit your bucket.

I will make peace with the fact that I must use this with my pallet forks and not my bucket. I'm done arguing about it, that wasn't my intent in the first place.
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #67  
So I ran the combo bucket spade on my pallet forks a couple of weeks ago. Not having used it before, I was pleased when the forks slid right in without problems. In fact, they slide waaaaay in. I was surprised how far they went. The forks are tapered, and I think the interior of the slots of the bucket spade for forks is also tapered. Anyway, seemed to fit like a glove and my digging a 2+ foot deep hole was no problem.

I finally removed the bucket spade a couple of days ago, and that was something of an adventure. The bucket spade was so tight on the fork tips I couldn't remove it. Was starting to think I'd need another tractor to pull it off :)

I used a pry bar to move the forks in the wiggle room at the end close to the tractor, but that didn't seem to do much for the tips stuck in the slot. Angling the bucket spade down (so forks up high in the air) so gravity would work for me, I finally got it loose with a sledgehammer. I couldn't really find a good place to whack it though, I could only get it with one inch or so (maybe less) of the hammer surface, sliding it down along the forks, hitting the "lip" on the bucket spade. I gave it a whack or two on the mounting arms for bucket clamps, but that is off center and I also wasn't sure about which pieces might stand up to the hammer better.

Not sure what to do to prevent that again, I will start with an email to the people who make it I guess and share if I learn anything useful. A little water and rust inside that combo might make the mating permanent. Maybe just dropping a small piece of wood or something in there would help, we'll see.
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT
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#68  
the implement pictured below would last about 10 min on an M series. maybe ok for sub/CUT but worthless imho for any serious tree planting. there are other options.
I purchased the Bucket Solution's (brand) Bucket Spade ten years ago for use on my first Kubota, a B3300SU. Sold the too light B3300SU two years later and purchased my L3560. I have used the Bucket Spade for planting trees and excavating Palmettos, other palms and grossly overgrown twenty-year old Blueberry bushes for eight years on the L3560 bucket. Certainly at least 1,200 in number. The Bucket Spade appears as new. The bucket has minor paint scuffs where the spade pads compress.

PHOTOS #10 - #11 - #12 were taken during March 2020.

My L3560 is 3,700 pounds bare tractor weight. The Ms are 5,000 pounds bare tractor weight. In my opinion the optimal bare tractor weight for utilizing a Bucket Spade is 3,700 to 5,000 pounds bare tractor weight, a range which includes Kubota Grand Ls, MX series and M series. Hydraulic power is of secondary importance in operating a Bucket Spade. Tractor weight is the most important factor as the spade is driven into ground with tractor wheel power. After first insertion the ground is loose.

The spade is 18" wide, billet forged, not stamped; weighs 130 pounds. A little ponderous for my 73 year old body to attach.

Minimal storage space required when spade is off the FEL bucket.

Being able to excavate in front of the tractor and move the tractor normally between digs is effecient.

Bucket Spade opinions posted on T-B-N from those that own them and use them are favorable. I seem to be the most frequent Bucket Spade user posting here.


hey Jeff, should have put it differently. i have twisted a double moldboard plow with my tractor (probably operator's fault). afraid would be the same with a clamp on shovel..... i'm glad to see the shovel works great for you.
keep the informative posts going, they are very detailed & best regards
 
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   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #69  
I don't own an actual bucket spade . but my home made "bucket spade" sure has come in handy thru the years. I featured the construction on here a few years ago. I have dug ditches for myself and others in our rocky "soil", and it has done very well. We have more rocks than soil. Mine is thinner and lighter than the bucket spade, but it has held up well. I have very little invested in it as it was just a welding project and I had a lot of the steel on hand already.
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #70  
Use or quick spade often. Prefer attachment to pallet fork over bucket. Best tool for blueberries agree. Great for slicing small trees off under fencing.
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #71  
As a previous poster I also had difficulty removing the Bucket Solutions spade from my forks. What worked the best was angling it straight down, spraying some WD40 in, letting it sit a while, then using a sledge. It did not take much force after applying the lubricant.
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #72  
I just looked at Bucket Solutions site. They rate the spade at a 2000lb lifting capacity. It weighs 100lbs. Current price is $469. I paid $389 in March of 2017. Jeff's price 10 years ago would probably seem like an incredible bargain today.

It's not a backhoe but massively beats a hand shovel, especially a 100lb one. LOL
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #73  
I just looked at Bucket Solutions site. They rate the spade at a 2000lb lifting capacity. It weighs 100lbs. Current price is $469. I paid $389 in March of 2017. Jeff's price 10 years ago would probably seem like an incredible bargain today.

It's not a backhoe but massively beats a hand shovel, especially a 100lb one. LOL
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #74  
I calculated I had $6 I believe in mine. Of course most of the steel was already laying around when i bought the place. I had to pay for a little steel and some welding rods.

As handy as the thing is, and the fact it will do some of the duties a backhoe is called upon to do, I am surprised more people don't make them or buy them.
 
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   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT
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#75  
I just looked at Bucket Solutions site. They rate the spade at a 2,000lb lifting capacity. It weighs 100lbs. Current price is $469. I paid $389 in March of 2017. Jeff's price 10 years ago would probably seem like an incredible bargain today.

It's not a backhoe but massively beats a hand shovel, especially a 100 pound shovel.

As the spade is 18" wide and load capacity 2,000 pounds, it will lift a spade width of dirt in very tough conditions.
(Operator prudence always advised.)


What makes the Bucket Spade a value to me is not the acquisition price, which is one time, but how much I have used it for non-commercial landscaping applications in ten years.

A compact tractor Backhoe is $7,000. The forged BS/BS is $469. The BS fulfills 40% of Backhoes applications, WHILE LEAVING THE THREE POINT HITCH AVAILABLE FOR AN IMPLEMENT, most often a Rollover Box Blade for me, to fill holes rapidly and function as FEL counterbalance. PHOTO: ROBB pushing fill dirt.

If one has 15' or more trenching to accomplish, a Backhoe is superior for that application.
 

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   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #76  
Ok, went off and read a few 10's of pages on stump removal; from weakest to strongest:
  1. bucket-clamp-on spade
    1. 20x20x24" hole, 78#, $300 https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200356535_200356535
    2. 27x18" hole, 83#, $300 XL Chain-On Quick Spade
    3. also the bucket solutions below
  2. fork-clamp on spade
    1. 20x20x24" hole,, 41#, $175 https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200356534_200356534
    2. 18x22x22" hole, 100#, $500 Tractor and Skidsteer bucket spade shovel
  3. backhoe
    1. I have a KB2475L, rated at 2800lb digging force
  4. stump bucket assuming a big enough tractor
    1. $500 Stump Bucket For Skid Steer Quick Attach, or $2000 Construction Attachments Worx Stump Bucket
    2. $2000 Construction Attachments Worx Stump Bucket
    3. I have a lighter CUT (ck2610); doesn't seem it can handle the bucket spade well (at all?)

how successful will the fork or bucket clamp/chain models be? I have primarily pine (eg softwod) stumps, soil isn't too rocky, 4-18" diam stumps (maybe 10 of the larger ones, 50 of the smaller). is there any consensus on which is more effective, easier to use, and/or easier on my small tractor (fork-clamp -vs- bucket clamp)?

How would these spades compare to my backhoe? Given the layout of the land / number of small stumps, being able to dislodge, and move, each stump without dismounting, stabilizing, and using the BH for every clump of ~5 of them sounds worth a few hundred $$ if it would work well. Or if i have something else like a skidder on the back.

Thanks!
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #77  
gotta love inflation :( from prices above, i see the bucket-solutions price has already increased 10% since Feb
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #78  
another interesting question - I see in several threads (not *all* Jeff lol) consensus seems to be that my ~4500lb (with FEL, BH) tractor is much to light for a stump bucket.

HOWEVER, if i were to go for the nicer clamp on (seems to be the BucketSolutions model, above, $500 - I fail to see how the actual digging geometry isn't that much better just going for a cheap Stump Bucket like the (also $500) Stump Bucket For Skid Steer Quick Attach.

the front of this implement is nearly the same size as a bucket, and it has ripper teath to break roots.

Thanks for your help.
 
   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT
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#79  
another interesting question - I see in several threads (not *all* Jeff lol) consensus seems to be that my ~4500lb (with FEL, BH) tractor is much to light for a stump bucket.


Your 2,700 pound bare weight CK2610 is too light to operate a stump bucket.

T-B-N ARCHIVE: Can my tractor handle a tree spade?


As you have a Backhoe, I would consider any bucket spade superfluous.


Kioti CK2610 Dimensions​


Kioti CK2610 tractor photo
2016 -
Compact Utility tractor
Series:CK2510CK2610CK3510

Dimensions
Wheelbase:65.7 inches
166 cm
Length:120.9 inches
307 cm
Width:55.1 inches
139 cm (R1)
63.1 inches
160 cm (R4)
Height:99.2 inches
251 cm
Gear Weight:2646 lbs
1200 kg
Hydro Weight:2701 lbs
1225 kg
Ground clearance:13.4 inches
34 cm
Front tread:44.6 inches
113 cm
Rear tread:51.3 inches
130 cm
 
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   / BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT #80  
Hi Jeff - yes, thanks to your other posts I understand that's the conclusion (and I believe it to be correct, in that I would certainly not be able to fully use the stump bucket, severely limited on both pushing it in, as well as curling or backing up / ripping roots, at least with full depth/engagement)

However, my interest in the front-spade is so that i can clear lots of small stumps (and some rocks), and just tip them back into the bucket, drive to slash pile, etc, repeat ...

I have 75-100 of these; using the backhoe would only let me handle a couple at a time (they are stumps, they're not right next to each other), then switch seats, turn around, turn the tractor around (It's still in the woods), pick up .... seems like if a spade could handle it (say 4~5in pine stumps), it would be a heck of a lot faster to have it on the front. And similarly, i'd probably use it later to landscaping where I'm moving shrubs from a truck, poking a few small holes, pushing dirt around. Obviously when i need a big hole ... i bought the BH. But these are lots of little holes combined with moving around.

Finally the stump bucket (for which cheap / light duty versions are the same price as a nice clamp-on spade), would seem to me to handle all that work better, and the front of it is the same size as a spade, so IF i can use a spade successfully, the stump bucket would work even better within my limits.

I think that boils down to two questions:
  • on a small CUT, is the spade effective for removing SMALL stumps (ignoring my backhoe)
  • am i missing some downside / limitation of the stump bucket (vs the spade) IFF i am not realistic that I can't use the "whole" thing/depth - eg just the front ~20" or so when digging).
Thanks!
 
 

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