Front-End Loader BUCKET SPADE TODAY // FEL BUCKET ATTACHMENT

[k0ua]

What is a small stump?

 

[orangetree]

softwood (pine), 5 or less inches give or take?

my property is mostly pine, and I'm leaving everything > 18" - so no "big" stumps in general here.

 

[k0ua]

softwood (pine), 5 or less inches give or take?

my property is mostly pine, and I'm leaving everything > 18" - so no "big" stumps in general here.

In my opinion, and this is just an opinion, there is no way in **** you are going to scoop out a 5 inch pine stump with a bucket spade. At least not quickly.

 

[jeff9366]

My interest in the front-spade is so that i can clear lots of small stumps (and some rocks), and just tip them back into the bucket, drive to slash pile, etc, repeat ...

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[jeff9366]

Hi Jeff - yes, thanks to your other posts I understand that's the conclusion (and I believe it to be correct, in that I would certainly not be able to fully use the stump bucket, severely limited on both pushing it in, as well as curling or backing up / ripping roots, at least with full depth/engagement)

However, my interest in the front-spade is so that i can clear lots of small stumps (and some rocks), and just tip them back into the bucket, drive to slash pile, etc, repeat ...

I have 75-100 of these; using the backhoe would only let me handle a couple at a time (they are stumps, they're not right next to each other), then switch seats, turn around, turn the tractor around (It's still in the woods), pick up .... seems like if a spade could handle it (say 4~5in pine stumps), it would be a heck of a lot faster to have it on the front. And similarly, i'd probably use it later to landscaping where I'm moving shrubs from a truck, poking a few small holes, pushing dirt around. Obviously when i need a big hole ... i bought the BH. But these are lots of little holes combined with moving around.

Finally the stump bucket (for which cheap / light duty versions are the same price as a nice clamp-on spade), would seem to me to handle all that work better, and the front of it is the same size as a spade, so IF i can use a spade successfully, the stump bucket would work even better within my limits.

I think that boils down to two questions:

• on a small CUT, is the spade effective for removing SMALL stumps (ignoring my backhoe)
• am i missing some downside / limitation of the stump bucket (vs the spade) IFF i am not realistic that I can't use the "whole" thing/depth - eg just the front ~20" or so when digging).

Thanks!

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[GeneV]

In my opinion, and this is just an opinion, there is no way in **** you are going to scoop out a 5 inch pine stump with a bucket spade. At least not quickly.

Quickly, no. You could chip away at it, though.

 

[orangetree]

You forgot to o include:
4: peeing on an electrified subway rail

A bit of a dice roll compared to the electric fence, bit the stakes are a lot higher

I'm still not hearing any argument on how shallow use of a tree spade bucket is significantly different than using a bucket spade?

I'm not 100% I'm going to get either, I need to YouTube some more looking for good (or failing) examples of similar uses on small CUTs... But if it looks helpful enough to justify, both the size/geometry, as well as the distance from pivot pins, seems very similar with both products - but being the same price its hard to see how the clamp on isn't less versatile.

 

[npalen]

I'm a bit surprised that the clamp-on bucket attachments don't tend to bend the bucket when the load is concentrated in a small area at the center of the bucket. What am I missing?

 

[k0ua]

Quickly, no. You could chip away at it, though.

Sure, agreed. But if someone is thinking of just driving up to a 5 inch stump and getting under it with a bucket spade and scooping it out and driving off with it all in on pass they are mistaken. Sure you could dig it out with some time, and the taproot and soil conditions will help determine how long it will take, but it isn't going to be a one scoop and done thing.

 

[k0ua]

You forgot to o include:
4: peeing on an electrified subway rail

A bit of a dice roll compared to the electric fence, bit the stakes are a lot higher

I'm still not hearing any argument on how shallow use of a tree spade bucket is significantly different than using a bucket spade?

I'm not 100% I'm going to get either, I need to YouTube some more looking for good (or failing) examples of similar uses on small CUTs... But if it looks helpful enough to justify, both the size/geometry, as well as the distance from pivot pins, seems very similar with both products - but being the same price its hard to see how the clamp on isn't less versatile.

it is common knowledge that stump buckets and CUTS don't work all that well together. If you don't believe it, look at videos of Skid Steers using stump buckets which is what a stump bucket is made to work with. Skid steers have a heck of a lot more weight, traction and lift and curl ability than even largest of CUT's. And Skid steers struggle with removing stumps with a stump bucket. Why do they struggle? Because stumps are very hard to remove. They require big heavy equipment to tackle these jobs. like an excavator for example.

I think Dirty Harry said it best: "a man has got to know his limitations".

Bottom line , both stump buckets and bucket spades are useful things, but you have to understand the equipment they are attached to, and the limitations of that equipment. Small CUT's are still Small CUT's. Skid Steers are still Skid Steers and are much more capable than even the largest CUT's.

 

[GeneV]

I mean, when it comes to digging, backhoe vs the stump bucket, obviously, the hoe wins for multiple reasons. Deeper reach, don't have to move the tractor with every scoop, all that stuff. But at a fraction of the cost of a backhoe, you CAN do stuff with a stump bucket. To be honest, quite a bit of work on my property that I did with the backhoe on my GC1710, I could have probably done a lot of it with a stump bucket.

 

[mwemaxxowner]

At Jeff's request:



I posted a while back about using a quick spade on my forks with my BX1880. I also posted on a Facebook group that pertains to B, BX, L, LX tractors. According to the FB page it's the worst idea in the world, and here I got mixed opinions. Well, I decided to try one anyway.

This is the primary use I bought it for. The property I bought from my wife's grandparents had a pool and patio on it that has been here for 50 years or more, and has been kept updated and evolved with the times. The landscaping is very mature around it, and there are many healthy, large boxwoods but some were planted too close and are crowding each other.

Well, aside from that, I got tired of waiting on little guys like this to put on some size.

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It's hard to make these GROW in the sand. I need to push them harder with ferts I guess. They stay healthy and green but hardly grow at all.

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It only took me 30 min to dig this up, and that was with a learning curve in the beginning where I figured out the best ways to use it.

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I dig most of the new hole with the quick spade too. I cleaned up the edges and fine tuned it with a shovel.

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Slipped the spade off lickety split and set the fork tines appropriately to lift the shrub and set it in place

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I held it there while I worked dirt around and under it and around the roots the best I could. Gave it some phosphorus fertilizer to help the roots adjust and heal. Once I was done putting dirt around it, I was able to pull right out without disturbing the placement of my shrub.

Finished up nicely. I would never have attempted this with only a shovel, and with my bucket I would have made a big mess.

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Yes, I have to be conscientious of the limits of my machine, my fork tines, and my fork carriage. I'm sure if I went all TALLY HO! with this I could apply too much force with the leverage of my fork tines and damage something, but on the other hand it's hard to apply too much force with a BX. And yes, if I lived where there is hard clay, or rocky ground this might not be so easy. But, alas, I do not, and I cannot give a review for conditions that I did not experience.

After this task I'm extremely happy with my decision to get forks, and a quick spade to use on those forks. I have 5 more boxwoods to move just like this. Imo it'll be worth the cost just for these 6 shrubs. I haven't ever priced one this mature but I'm sure I have come out ahead vs buying them this size. Now, fingers crossed that they survive the transplant. I know that can be very taxing on a mature plant.

 

[Redlands Okie]

Backhoe would be nice but for the price I have found my stump bucket to be a very useful tool. Stumps, concrete driveways, transplanting tress and shrubs, the list goes on.

 

[mwemaxxowner]

Great low priced implement, imo. Just like my ratchet rake and my drawbar with drawbar lock. Low cost, high bang/buck.

 

[GeneV]

Great low priced implement, imo. Just like my ratchet rake and my drawbar with drawbar lock. Low cost, high bang/buck.

I could attest to the ratchet rake for sure, just today used it a bunch!

 

[mwemaxxowner]

Moved one more yesterday. One thing I really like about this on my forks is the reach it gives me. Of course, that can be a double edged sword, but i understand I need to be careful and need to pay attention to my equipment as I work. I think as a SCUT owner you have to understand up front that you needn't try to force anything anyway. Take it slow, let the machine do the work.

I was able to reach in over my lillies without damaging many of them to dig this Yaupon Holly up.

Shrub in question while I was working it free.

Moment of triumph!

Transport that bad boy to the front of the house.

Set it down

Dig the new hole, while enjoying that reach I mentioned so I don't have to disturb my bed edging.

Deposit the extra dirt in my dump carts. Couldn't do that with a bucket full of dirt.

 

[mwemaxxowner]

Two new, already mature and properly sized Yaupon Hollys in the bed in front of the house. They need a good trim and shape up, but I'll wait for spring to do that once I'm sure they've acclimated to the new spot.

 

[GeneV]

Yeh, nice job man. I think considering these are ssqi forks, you could more or less go to town with the spade on them. I'd be more concerned if they were clamp-on forks, would be worried about damaging the bucket.

 

[mwemaxxowner]

These are actually pin on, but I know you meant "not clamp on". Just trying to show folks you don't HAVE to have SSQA to use forks and switch attachments. It's not terribly difficult for me to switch back and forth, and I use lynch pins not to secure my loader pins. Makes switching a fairly quick process. I'd say 10 min. Lot longer than SSQA but not a deal breaker for me.

I think then I'd just have gone with a clamp on spade. That's extra steps for more damage potential .

I don't want clamp on stuff with my BX bucket if I can help it. The duty of the bucket matches the size of the tractor.

 

[69 SS]

Read all 10 posts of this thread,raining buckets outside. I bought one of these a few years ago. It works pretty good on the bucket,outstanding on the pallet forks. Didn't buy the forks till 3 yrs ago. It is not a backhoe , I'm not in a hurry, and I love working my tractor. For me the best feature is the ability to reach over things to do work. Really love it now. Plates n screws in my neck from getting rear ended in car accident, couldn't drive tractor for 7 months. Now I can plant stuff and not have to use hand shovel. Good luck to all on your projects.