BX25 3PT Modifications?

[GolfAddict]

Well, this is timely as just today I was spec'ing out a possible two spool valve for my BX25 that I'd hook into the BH power beyond loop so I can use my old hydraulic top link. With fittings/adaptors and quick connects it was looking close to $300, then I'd need hoses. I know about the Hydraulink and had been waiting for them to intro the SCUT version but looks like that's never going to happen. So my question to you is which Hydraulink cylinder did you buy and do you find it too long for your BX (how long is it min/mas)? The first one they put to market was for larger tractors than the SCUTs, I thought. Any pic's if I may ask?

I've been waiting for the SCUT version also. They still have never come back and updated their sticky thread, so I assumed they just never did make one for the SCUT.

 

[CHDinCT]

Eh... Well, I can't rightly remember what model I ordered?? I know it works fine on my BX-25 running Land Pride implements. Got a 4' Box and Plane (model numbers in the sig block) and also have a just calibrated FIMCO 40gal sprayer that it works with too.

Make ya a deal... If you can sit tight for a couple of days, I'll get you the model number I'm using and some pics of it compressed and extended so you can get a good idea of the range of motion it will support. More to follow...

Appreciate it Eagle. I'd be more interested in the minimum and maximum lengths than model number. Last I checked they only made one version for Cat 1 hitches and were working on a Cat 2 version as well as a SCUT version.

For anyone interested in reading up on it, here's the lengthy thread on it. If you cut through all the BS on whether they advertised or named it correctly, it's not so bad. At one time they were an official advertiser but are MIA now.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/174498-hydraulink-self-contained-air-over.html

 

[Garybake]

Still thinking the chains. Leaning toward a solid unit with the same type adjustment arrangement and maybe ball units on each end for flexibility. Infinite adjustability w/o tools.

Comments please before I start.

Ron

Ron,
The chains to a solid unit was addressed in this thread;
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/.../212135-pics-my-bx-telescopic-stabilizer.html
A nice aftermarket unit I thought about after breaking my welds on turnbuckle from backblading in reverse. Tremendous force on them when doing this so a solid link was the answer. Then I thought where would the next weak link be. I do not backblade in reverse other than snow now.
Gary

 

[Artisan]

I just wrote my Hydralink rep, asked if they make a BX25 unit, I will post
up when I get a reply.

That Tap and Bolt idea is a good one! or weld on a nut...

Yep, flip the top link pin 180, Thank YOU!

 

[EagleTDL]

Artisan & CHDinCT,

Took some photos this weekend, along with some measurements... I never could find the model number for my Hydraulink, my order is buried in an email someplace and I filed it away and now I can't find it?!?! Sorry for that...

Anyway, enclosed are some pics of my setup... First pic is the 'Link itself. I zoomed in on the pic, but this is in the fully compressed position. I've got just two or three threads showing past the lock nut on the adjustable end and it measures 19" center pin to center pin. 2nd photo shows the orientation of my Plane in that position.

3rd pic is showing the HydrauLink all the way extended. Center pin to center pin measurement in that position is 25". The last pic shows what an extreme angle that puts the Plane on. 'Course, it's unusable in that position but the point I'm trying to make is that to get it in that position, I opened the valve on the 'Link and raised up the 3pt hitch and then closed the valve. Simple...

Hopefully this will give you gents an idea of the range of motion the HydrauLink will support. I got mine from Greenwell when I ordered a set of Pat's Easy Change QD's.

 

[Artisan]

Thank You for the pics...

It explains it well. Now how about some good pics of that land plane
and PATS stuff!

It kinda looks a little to long. I wonder if you could make an extension to
the rear top link bracket, not the hydralink but the receiver for it at the
rear. That would give you more usable range of motion yes?

 

[EagleTDL]

Thank You for the pics...

It explains it well. Now how about some good pics of that land plane
and PATS stuff!

It kinda looks a little to long. I wonder if you could make an extension to
the rear top link bracket, not the hydralink but the receiver for it at the
rear. That would give you more usable range of motion yes?

Welcome Sir! No photos of the Plane or Pat's gear handy, but if you are looking for something specific let me know and I'll see what I can dig up.

When you say "too long", I guess I can see your point, but why would you want it shorter?? If the toplink was shorter, then you'd have the "nose" of the implement angling down... What kind of implement would you use that way?? Both my Plane and Box Blade wouldn't work nose-down, that's why I'm asking...

 

[Artisan]

What I do not know about 3 point implements and attachments will
fill volumns and volumns... Having said that;

I simply look at it and see it is all one way, one angle. An auger or a
boom or a subsoiler where you do not want an agressive angle, a
carryall, a pond digger, back blade, all could benefit from the ability to angle to AND fro, for lack of better words I thunk...

Also I look at your profile and when it is totally compressed you still have
a bit of a rearwards angle yes? I would think you would want that land plane level at times, maybe it settles down to level when you plop it earthwards...

 

[EagleTDL]

What I do not know about 3 point implements and attachments will
fill volumns and volumns... Having said that;

Hey, I hear ya on that! :laughing: Still learning myself... And you've got some valid points there, all I can speak to is the Plane and Box Blade. I don't have any other implements other than a 40gal boom sprayer and the 'Link works fine with it too.

That photo is a bit misleading, the ground falls away where I had the Plane parked. If you look at the profile when it's on the concrete floor in the shop the Plane shoes are flat on the ground.

 

[CHDinCT]

Thanks Eagle. One difference I see is you use yours with a Pat's quick hitch which probably adds 3" to where the implement sits relative to the tractor. I do think without that the current Hydraulink would be too long for sure. If I knew they were going to offer a shorter version, I'd wait for it, but it looks like I'll probably add a 2 spool valve that hooks into the BH ports. Oh, love that grader blade by the way.

 

[GolfAddict]

Thanks Eagle. One difference I see is you use yours with a Pat's quick hitch which probably adds 3" to where the implement sits relative to the tractor. I do think without that the current Hydraulink would be too long for sure. If I knew they were going to offer a shorter version, I'd wait for it, but it looks like I'll probably add a 2 spool valve that hooks into the BH ports. Oh, love that grader blade by the way.

In the Hydraulink thread (in Attachments forum) the rep from the company told us they were working on a shorter top link for SCUT owners that would be pretty much the length of our OEM link. However, they have never come back and updated us on how the prototype went and whether it would be offered along with the larger ones. I'm going to see if I can contact someone at Hydraulink and see what I can find out. I'll update y'all with what I hear.

 

[Tractor Seabee]

I just took the BH off and installed the 3PT and QH. By the time I cleaned and lubricated all the moving parts and got them installed it was over 1 hr and a lot of geeing and hawing. I have to figure out a better way as I do this often because I use the BH a lot. I would like to keep the 3PT and QH together and install same as an implement . I really need to study this some more. The BX 25 configuration does not give much working room either. I now have the BH install/uninstall down pat, only takes a few minutes either way. Once on; the QH is a beeeze to hook and unhook implements.

Ron

 

[GolfAddict]

For anyone who may be interested, I called Hydraulink to see what I could find out about the SCUT (shorter) version. I talked to a nice lady who told me that they are still working with the prototype and are meeting with the Manufacturing reps later this month. They still plan on producing one for sure, but at this point it is still a question of just when...

 

[EagleTDL]

Thanks Eagle. One difference I see is you use yours with a Pat's quick hitch which probably adds 3" to where the implement sits relative to the tractor. I do think without that the current Hydraulink would be too long for sure. If I knew they were going to offer a shorter version, I'd wait for it, but it looks like I'll probably add a 2 spool valve that hooks into the BH ports. Oh, love that grader blade by the way.

Welcome Sir, and good point about the QH! Without those, the 'Link would be too long... Jealous of the 2-spool valve, good on ya! :thumbsup:

Maybe it's because I haven't used anything else, but that Grading Plane will flat clean up a gravel drive! Ours at the house was getting a bit "rutty", so I picked up a scoop of gravel and added it to one end of the drive, across the width of it. Set the Plane down, into 4-wheel grunt mode, and in 4 passes I had leveled the whole drive! Tweaked the crown and filled the ruts, kinda wishing it took longer, equates to less seat time!! :laughing:

 

[Artisan]

I just took the BH off and installed the 3PT and QH. By the time I cleaned and lubricated all the moving parts and got them installed it was over 1 hr and a lot of geeing and hawing. I have to figure out a better way as I do this often because I use the BH a lot. I would like to keep the 3PT and QH together and install same as an implement . I really need to study this some more. The BX 25 configuration does not give much working room either. I now have the BH install/uninstall down pat, only takes a few minutes either way. Once on; the QH is a beeeze to hook and unhook implements.

Ron

Ron I know nothing of QH's. What brand did you get may I ask? Got any
pics to show N tell ? As I believe I said prior, I threw on my 3PT hitch for
the first time a few days ago. I threw out the top cotter pins and
changed them to lynch pins to hopefully facilitate a quick change out
when I go back to the BH. I too am looking at this set-up...

Oh, the idea of throwing away the "Stopper Pin and its "Hair Pin" and
either tapping in a thread, or I think I perfer welding on a nut so you can
simply unscrew a bolt or screw down a bolt for ease of installation
and removal. (Welding a nut onto the CheckChain bracket)

See the 3pt instructions to see names of parts if necessary.

 

[Artisan]

For anyone who may be interested, I called Hydraulink to see what I could find out about the SCUT (shorter) version. I talked to a nice lady who told me that they are still working with the prototype and are meeting with the Manufacturing reps later this month. They still plan on producing one for sure, but at this point it is still a question of just when...

10-4 TU!

 

[Tractor Seabee]

Ron I know nothing of QH's. What brand did you get may I ask? Got any
pics to show N tell ? As I believe I said prior, I threw on my 3PT hitch for
the first time a few days ago. I threw out the top cotter pins and
changed them to lynch pins to hopefully facilitate a quick change out
when I go back to the BH. I too am looking at this set-up...

Oh, the idea of throwing away the "Stopper Pin and its "Hair Pin" and
either tapping in a thread, or I think I perfer welding on a nut so you can
simply unscrew a bolt or screw down a bolt for ease of installation
and removal. (Welding a nut onto the CheckChain bracket)

See the 3pt instructions to see names of parts if necessary.

Artisan,

I bought a QH from HF, $72 on sale. Had to do some modifications though as their engineeerin on this one is faulty. I am sure the chineese company just made it he way they recieved the design. I took some pictures today; will convert to PDF and annotate what I had to do. Not bad if you are handy and have welding equipment and skills. Still saved from $100-300 depending on the brand you look at and what comes with it. I'll try to get it done tomorrow as today; using my tiller, broke two more of those 5/16 check chain clevises. WILCO doesn't stock them so will try another place tomorrow. I had the chains tight but still broke, those who like their chains loose must go through a bunch of them. This running around for a two bit part gets old fast. I have to go to Bremerton to get some steel and welding rod and another farm store is on the way. I hope someone from Messicks picks up on this and relays this flawed piece of engineering to KUBOTA. While in Bremerto I will check on some 1/2" long turnbuckles with clevis ends. I have an idea on a fix.

Say, aren't you a plumber? Are you a UA member? I am a retired UA Steamfitter.

Ron

 

[CHDinCT]

For anyone who may be interested, I called Hydraulink to see what I could find out about the SCUT (shorter) version. I talked to a nice lady who told me that they are still working with the prototype and are meeting with the Manufacturing reps later this month. They still plan on producing one for sure, but at this point it is still a question of just when...

Thanks for the update. Almost hard to believe they're still working on it. From my simple mind, it's just a shorter version of what they already have so I don't really understand what's taking so long. It's also hard to take them at their word at this point given they just disappeared from TBN months and months ago with no explanation. On the other hand, the existing Hydraulink is still being sold (checked on that) so I did assume they're still in business.

 

[CHDinCT]

Seems this thread got a little far afield, but just to finish up my comments on adding a hydraulic top link, I pulled the trigger today on a Prince dual-spool valve with, hopefully, all the fittings and adapters I'll need to add dual rear remotes to my BX25. I plan to plum it into the BH power-beyond loop to run the hydraulic top link I made up when I had the old BX1860 with the dual rear remote kit (which is not available for BX25). I will start a thread probably in the Hydraulics forum once the project begins. I will need to make up a mounting bracket that will attach to the ROPS and then measure and order hoses, so it will be a while before it's functional. Chow.

Oh, mostly for Artisan, my long run plans are to add the Thumb grapple to my FEL bucket and power it from the rear remotes with loooong hoses. Not the ideal solution, but this approach will let me use my old hydraulic top link to start.

 

[Artisan]

Chris be sure to keep me abreast of your project!