Cheap FEL cylinders keep bending

[goodspeed9000]

Thanks for clarifying that you have a history of abusing your equipment and that, despite that, Massey has been trying to help. Excellent demonstration of a manufacturer going above and beyond.

You mean the manufacturer that admitted a part was missing and that the design is wrong? Yeah, they sure as hell better go above and beyond to help.

 

[Dmacleo]

Not OP, but this is my tractor. MASSEY IS AWARE OF THE ISSUE AND IS FIXING IT UNDER WARRANTY along with the joystick that has done nothing but leak or jam. Needless to say I'm over this tractor, but at this point just giving the dealer and manufacturer a chance to make it right before taking further steps. It's been over a week since my last contact, which included a request for details on exactly what is being done, but so far no response.

As some have pointed out it's likely missing the linkage and they will be putting larger diameter cylinders on it.

Thanks for clarifying that you have a history of abusing your equipment and that, despite that, Massey has been trying to help. Excellent demonstration of a manufacturer going above and beyond.

so missing linkage and using a dealer recommended implement is a history of abusing equipment?

 

[Torvy]

You mean the manufacturer that admitted a part was missing and that the design is wrong? Yeah, they sure as hell better go above and beyond to help.

No, the poster said that based on assumptions he read here. The manufacturer did not say it was missing anything.

In his last paragraph he brags about abusing his previous tractor. That's like complaining you got arrested for beating your new wife and then complaining that you beat your 1st wife and she just took it.

 

[goodspeed9000]

No, the poster said that based on assumptions he read here. The manufacturer did not say it was missing anything.

In his last paragraph he brags about abusing his previous tractor. That's like complaining you got arrested for beating your new wife and then complaining that you beat your 1st wife and she just took it.

You're talking to the owner of the tractor. You look silly. Manufacturer admitted fault.

 

[Torvy]

You're talking to the owner of the tractor. You look silly. Manufacturer admitted fault.

Before or after you bragged to them about abusing your equipment? Oh, didn't share that part with them? Fraud is fraud. Them telling you to buy a stump bucket doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it.

 

[ruffdog]

If the manufacturer's fix is larger (bigger bore) cylinders, then that would open them up for future lawsuits because they will be adding way more force to the design. Keep us posted on the final "fix".

 

[goodspeed9000]

Before or after you bragged to them about abusing your equipment? Oh, didn't share that part with them? Fraud is fraud. Them telling you to buy a stump bucket doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it.

You're digging a bigger hole than I could with the Stump bucket.

They have the video. In fact they had the video from my dealer before I ever spoke to them. The exact video posted by the OP. Likely OP is a fellow member of the board I posted it on.

When I spoke to my dealer and MF I told them exactly what I was doing and they agreed in no way should it have bent that easily and that they've seen this issue on a few other tractors.

Would you like to challenge my character more or are you done looking silly? You're not only wrong but you're making a fool of yourself in the process with your projections.

Massey is 100% treating me right and I'm respectful and thankful for that. End of story.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

Before or after you bragged to them about abusing your equipment? Oh, didn't share that part with them? Fraud is fraud. Them telling you to buy a stump bucket doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it.

My impression of a stump bucket is that they are monstrosities that should be reserved for skid steers only. They have no business on any CUT. Just because a tractor has a skid steer mount doesn't mean eveything that fits a skid steer is appropriate on a tractor FEL. As my dump truck buddies often said, "You have to be smarter than what you are operating."

 

[Boss 302]

Was this issue ever resolved?

 

[Rockbadchild]

Oh so many things jumps out at me after seeing all the images…

Notice the holes… why are they unused?

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When it should have these brackets in place like these…

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Somebody screwed up at the dealership.

AMEN !!! Exactly. The problem is NOT the bucket nor does it matter what sort of bucket is attached ! The problem is the configuration of the SSQA adapter apparently installed without all the parts !!!! Complete and total screwup by the dealer OR by MF putting them out without the pivot levers.. or potentially even encouraging dealers to install them that way (!?) I'm sure once the matter is sorted out (with the AGCO regional rep being the referee -- and you need him into it NOW) the dealer has no choice but to apologize and make it right. Let him and the AGCO regional rep sort out which of them pays what because there may well be inadequate instructions and/or missing parts coming from AGCO to the dealer for the SSQA installation. Under no circumstance do you the buyer pay a dime.

Look at post #16 and the tractor for sale in Tractor House !! That one is misconfigured too ! So there are many of these out in the field about to bend cylinders and cost many people much grief. Someone needs to get hold of AGCO at a high level.

AND good holy crap, take a look at the YouTube from Vahrenberg at

which compares the older DL95 and the newer Xfl 1805. In their video the newer one has the DOOMED SSQA connection, omitting the pivot lever that we all saw in post #15. This disease is very widespread.

AND same disease showing in another Vahrenberg YouTube with the specific loader also in DOOMED configuration at

AND ... Sub-Compact & Compact Loaders notice here [in a factory webpage, not a dealer or a sale] that the pivot lever is in place. Also note that without the pivot lever the bucket cylinders at full dump are WAY further out and that is when they get bent.



I can't tell whose fault it is - dealer vs AGCO -- but right now no one in their right mind will operate that loader without the pivot lever.

i don’t have à pivot lever on mine ether? but the bucket attachment is different see the bucket back plate mine on the left vs the one on the right

 

[JWR]

Rockmalenfant -- that was my post somewhere in the middle of these incredible 211 posts so far !! This has been educational, at times enlightening, at times mechanically puzzling, and at times very needlessly confrontational. Overall just crazy. I think it has been an unusual thread in that so much came out and so much was covered/explained/pointed out. I have to say I think I learned quite a bit AFTER that old post that you quote above with the two dealer's ad pages. My opinion has changed since that post. I no longer believe that there is anything "wrong" in some loader configuration because it lacks the pivot lever. A senior voice in all this has often been LD1, though he lost patience a few times.

To comment on your puzzling in post # 210: I think that MF produced and sold loader frames, especially for the 2760 size tractors, that was valid configured EITHER way -- with the pivot levers or without them. The loader frames were made so that the holes and pivot points are available and there to be used either way. It is NOT that either one is living in sin or wrong.

Since this soap opera started I have been paying more attention and seen numerous tractors out in the field, at dealers, at auctions, etc. some WITH and some WITHOUT the pivot levers. I certainly prefer the configuration WITH the pivot levers and feel that is less vulnerable to problems. However I have a Case loader on a Kubota of similar size WITHOUT the pivot levers and have gotten great service and zero damage out of it. This picture is of a local example which (like yours) uses a different plate out at the SSQA interface to the bucket which is appropriate for the no pivot lever setup. But see the frame for that loader also has the "holes" and the pivot points designed so it can be assembled either way.

I would not be concerned if I were you.

Actually if anyone is REALLY up tight about all this I have absolute confidence you can go to Massey and buy the SSQA hardware to configure your loader either way. It would cost a bundle to change. Would it be worth the money? Not in my opinion.

 

[Rockbadchild]

Rockmalenfant -- that was my post somewhere in the middle of these incredible 211 posts so far !! This has been educational, at times enlightening, at times mechanically puzzling, and at times very needlessly confrontational. Overall just crazy. I think it has been an unusual thread in that so much came out and so much was covered/explained/pointed out. I have to say I think I learned quite a bit AFTER that old post that you quote above with the two dealer's ad pages. My opinion has changed since that post. I no longer believe that there is anything "wrong" in some loader configuration because it lacks the pivot lever. A senior voice in all this has often been LD1, though he lost patience a few times.

To comment on your puzzling in post # 210: I think that MF produced and sold loader frames, especially for the 2760 size tractors, that was valid configured EITHER way -- with the pivot levers or without them. The loader frames were made so that the holes and pivot points are available and there to be used either way. It is NOT that either one is living in sin or wrong.

Since this soap opera started I have been paying more attention and seen numerous tractors out in the field, at dealers, at auctions, etc. some WITH and some WITHOUT the pivot levers. I certainly prefer the configuration WITH the pivot levers and feel that is less vulnerable to problems. However I have a Case loader on a Kubota of similar size WITHOUT the pivot levers and have gotten great service and zero damage out of it. This picture is of a local example which (like yours) uses a different plate out at the SSQA interface to the bucket which is appropriate for the no pivot lever setup. But see the frame for that loader also has the "holes" and the pivot points designed so it can be assembled either way.

I would not be concerned if I were you.

Actually if anyone is REALLY up tight about all this I have absolute confidence you can go to Massey and buy the SSQA hardware to configure your loader either way. It would cost a bundle to change. Would it be worth the money? Not in my opinion.

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thanks for the clarification

 

[Rockbadchild]

I am not even sure I like the implementation oi the 4-bar linkage on this particular loader.

Look at JRW's post of the 2815 loader and its direct pin then look at how much closer the 4-bar pin on the SSQA is in comparison to the direct pin.

Looks like with a flat bucket.....the direct pin has alot more mechanical advantage......which means more rollback force.

I agree with you the distance between the pin add leverage.