Peacock
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Not this again....
Chevy Silverado Named C R Top Truck!!
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Not this again....
coobie
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TRUTH HURTS sometimes?
Peacock
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Doesn't hurt me. Just gets old. Ford would have taken the same deal if they hadn't already borrowed billions in bank loans.
I think a lot of that is your personal opinion. I disagree with corrosion resistance, comfort, asistance after warranty. The Ford has the best brakes of any 1/2 ton. The GM out powers the Ford by a small amount. I would like to see some real world numbers on the fuel economy of the GM. A GM truck is like 300lbs lighter than a Ford. The GM does lead in oil consumption.
Peacock
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Seriously look under a Ford and GM that are 5-8 yrs old and have 100k on them. Now try to separate a ball joint, exhaust fitting, remove y-pipe bolts, remove control arm bolts... The Ford nearly always has more rust.
Until the EcoBoost or 6.2 came out the GM trucks out powered the Fords since '07 with the 6.2 and earlier with the 6.0.
Yes the GM is lighter than the Ford because they shed weight. Must be because they are 2 generations behind Ford.
Ford leads in blowing plugs out. Head gaskets leaking. How's about Diesel engine failures? Or the 4.0 SOHC.
They've all made junk and good.
I guess you have not replaced a brake line on a 5 years old GM. How about the brake rotors rusting up between the fins on a GM.
GM leads in instrument clustet failures, busted flex plates, holes in the transfer case, electrical problems, bearing hub assembly failures just to name a few.
Peacock
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No. I have. Ford rotors rust just the same. GM clusters are junk. The '97-03 Ford is hardly any better.
GM electrical is terrible. Ford is also. Until you've spent time deep in a Honda electrical manual you don't realize just how stupid domestic electrical systems are.
I'm not here to say that GM trucks are the be all, end all. Just saying that the Ford trucks certainly aren't either. None of the current crop of trucks isn't a throw away vehicle. What are people gonna do when their GEM module fails on their whatever year Explorer and it's one of 15 versions and it hasn't been available for 5 yrs. Wayyyy too much electrical JUNK on them. I say this as a tech that is Honda Master certified and had 3 of 4 of my Ford certifications. I have to work on the crap.
They are all junk right now.
It is the best junk any of them have ever made.
Peacock
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To each his own.
None of them are easily rebuildable.
Can you imagine trying to explain to the teenager at Autozone what lighting control module you need. Or what PCM you need when the OEM has long stopped supporting it.
Call me old fashioned or just grumpy, but I'm tired of this 'progress' that cars are making. I'm all for safety and fuel economy, but not for the sake of making everything useless once supplies of wiring harnesses and whatnot dry up.
Peacock
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I can actually remember Curt H., the Indianapolis Ford training instructor, referring to the LS as a throw away car when it came out.
Chris K., the instructor in Cincy, did not agree with that, but he was a pretty hardcore Ford lover.
Chris K., the instructor in Cincy, did not agree with that, but he was a pretty hardcore Ford lover.
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