CK 25 will not start

   / CK 25 will not start #41  
Before u remove the pump or call the dealer to come get your machine {$$$} are u planning on doing any testing??
Could be a clogged fuel tank outlet line?? {no fuel}
Could be a blown fuse to the shut off solenoid, if it has 1.. {not a pull cable}
Heck, it could be a clogged filter?? Do u have fuel AT the pump inlet??
 
   / CK 25 will not start #42  
I am getting fuel from the fuel pump to the filter. Filter was replaced about 15 hrs ago. I believe mine has the shut off solenoid(if that is the same as the stop solenoid) as it is a 2005 model. I can hear it click when I turn the key. I had removed the oil fill port and could see the pin and throttle but wasn't sure what I'm looking for. I was going to pull the stop solenoid and see if I can move the rack pin? I'm hoping it is electric. A couple weeks ago I thought I had a dead battery and after charging for a little bit it started. Today I went out and it started right up so I'm thinking the battery issue a couple weeks back might be the culprit today the more I think about it. Just not sure what is supposed to be clicking when I turn the key. I do know that for the last year or so when I turn the key to start and warm the glow plugs the yellow indicator light on the dash goes out after turning and holding the key then when the tractor starts the glow plug light stays on for about 15-20 seconds or so. Don't know if that has anything to do with it. My set up looks like the one in this link.
 
   / CK 25 will not start #43  
The shutoff solenoid is attached on the right side in the picture with two bolts and a rubber boot.
 
   / CK 25 will not start #44  
The first thing I would do is turn the key switch to ON. Verify you hear the distinct "clack" of the stop solenoid retracting. Wait a few seconds and turn the key OFF and verify you heat the distinct "clack" of the stop solenoid extending (which would stop the engine if it was running). If you don't get the second clack, the stop solenoid is not holding in the retract position (hold coil) which could be a bad fuse.

A simple test for the stop solenoid (SS) if to remove (unbolt) the solenoid and see if it will start. Just be prepared to stop the engine with the manual shutoff if it starts. This stop solenoid must be retracted (or removed) to allow the engine to run. If the engine starts and runs with the stop solenoid removed, there are several possible root causes (bad SS (rare), bad "pull" relay (common), bad fuse, etc.) but it's an easy fix once you isolate the cause

With the SS removed, the injection pump rack/pin should move all the way forward (under light spring pressure) to rest against the governor arm. You should also be able to slide it aft with moderate finger pressure through the removed oil fill plate. If it's jammed and won't move you likely have a failed injection pump gear (control sleeve). You can also losten one of the "nuts" on an injector to see if any fuel comes out when the engine cranks.

Other non IP "no start" causes include: glow plugs may not be working, lift pump, fuel not reaching the injection pump, air leak in the fuel line, etc.

If the injection pump has actually failed again, don't despair. I believe the current replacement control sleeves (the things with the gear teeth that break) are improved but these improved ones probably were not available when your IP was previously rebuilt. The actual IP rebuild is very easy but also easy to do wrong if you are not careful. The needed IP rebuild parts are less than $100 from most Zexel (formerly Bosch) shops.

Removing the old IP is the hard part. You'll need to remove or externally secure the hood because the bracket for the hood strut must come off. The injection hard lines must be removed and there is little space to get a wrench on those nuts. The intake manifold must come off and you'll want to have a new manifold gasket on hand. You need to remove the pre-load assembly to the left (aft) of the IP and the SS to the right (forward) without dropping the plastic "hat" into the crankcase. Disconnect and clamp off fuel hoses to the IP so fuel doesn't drain.

At that point removing the IP is simply a matter of unscrewing the bolts and nuts. When the IP is rebuilt, all the old parts need to go back in exactly the same place; for example, the plunger and roller tappet from cylinder #1 need to go back into cylinder #1. If you do that and keep the old IP shims, the IP does not need to be calibrated or the injection re-timed after rebuild.

If you are not confident in your ability, any mechanic should be able to remove and install the IP and any Zexel shop should be able to do the rebuild, quite inexpensively (compared to a new IP). ThePumpGuySC would probably be happy to do the rebuild; he was an enormous help to me with technical advice when I rebuilt mine this spring.
 
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   / CK 25 will not start #45  
I know I heard the distinct first click from the stop solenoid, not sure about the second click from the solenoid. I will try that tomorrow.
 
   / CK 25 will not start #46  
This new (post 2005) stop solenoid has two coils: pull and hold. The pull coil draws a lot of current and is energized through a relay for one second when the key is turned ON. The hold coil is low current and is powered directly from the ON contacts of the key switch (through a fuse). If the hold coil isn't powered (or has failed) the stop solenoid goes right back to the stop position after one second.
 
   / CK 25 will not start #47  
Kioti's can have one of two different styles of engine stop solenoids.
It is important to identify which one you have.

The number of electrical terminals on the solenoid tells the story. If there is one wire to the solenoid, it will work by being powered for about 16 seconds when the key is turned to OFF.
There is a timer which controls this. In short, power to the solenoid stops the engine. These systems are falling out of favor as a dead battery can mean you cannot stop the engine once it is running.
The other style of engine stop solenoid has three wires going to the solenoid. The solenoid has a pull in coil and a hold coil within its body. It also has a spring. The spring pushes the solenoid to cut off fuel once there is not power going to it. The pull in coil works briefly and then the hold coil takes over white the tractor is running.

You need to make certain the solenoid is operating freely.
This is the check of the later solenoid.

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Try and identify which solenoid style you have and report back. a picture of the injection pump and cut off solenoid would be great.

Dave M7040
 
   / CK 25 will not start #48  
Dave: Minor tweak-- some of the early versions of the new solenoid only used two wires and used the block for the ground.
 
   / CK 25 will not start #49  
I'm at work now, but I will try to get a pic later today when I get home.
 
   / CK 25 will not start #50  
CK25 IP.JPGCK25 SS.JPG

Here are pics of my IP and one of the stop solenoid. So after checking fuses and making sure it was getting fuel I decided to take the stop solenoid off as well as the oil fill plug and the manual stop lever plate which you can see in the pic. So the rail is stuck in the closed position so I used my finger to pry it towards the front of the tractor and it finally moved. So I worked it back and forth a few times and it was moving freely so I re-assembled it back and it started right up. Then as soon as I gave it a little fuel it started to race so I throttled back down and it stalled and wouldn't re-start so I am going to say that something in the IP is not right. Do these gum up? or is that just wishful thinking? I think I'll give my dealer a call on Wednesday to see what he has to say as they were the ones that sent it out to get rebuilt back in 2010 with 238 hrs on the meter, and now it has happened again with 579 hrs on the meter.
 

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