Docsknotinn
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Yes I stand corrected it is not in fact a Federal law. However nearly every state has Mandatory sentencing guidelines under the Felony Firearm Statutes. Many are off shoots of the Graves amendment of 1981. Dave
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Concealed Weapons Good Or Bad?
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You're right there have been laws on the books for years in Ohio as an "affirmative defense" for carrying a concealed weapon. But thats just what it is......a defense for the crime you have been arrested for. And it will cost you thousands of dollars and a lifetime of grief to defend the charge.
As a former certified peace officer, I support the new law. If I was still in that field, would it scare the crap out of me? Sure would, but I'm sure I'd settle down after awhile /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
As a former certified peace officer, I support the new law. If I was still in that field, would it scare the crap out of me? Sure would, but I'm sure I'd settle down after awhile /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
EdKing
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I have had a permit to carry in PA for 8 years now. My theory is I woud rather explain to the police why I had to defend myself, than explain to the worms why I did not.
QStottinNC
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I happen to be a civilian concealed carry instructor in North Carolina. I guess you can already tell what my opinion is. Seems like most states have similar laws. NC has one of the toughest classes to pass ( 8hours minimum instruction). NC requires a background check, both for passed legal offenses and a mental background check. In our state you may not carry in government buildings, schools, anywhere alcohol is served, anywhere admission is charged, anywhere there is a sign that prohibits concealed carry, at any assembly where "the person in charge" prohibits it, and you may not carry with ANY alcohol in your system. (non, nadda, zip, 0%). Most people that have taken my class just want a permit to carry so they don't get in trouble if they have a weapon in their vehicle and get stopped. I do carry concealed on some occasions, but not that often. As was stated earlier, in NC there is a duty to retreat unless you are in your own home. Even in your own home, there must be proof that a person of "sound mind" would expect that a person was entering or inside the house to commit serious bodily injury, sexual assault, or was intending to commit a felony. A strange little quirk is that if someone is trying to break into your house, and you can convince 12 jurors that the you were in fear for your life, you may shoot and it will be justified. However, once the perp is inside, they must be in the act of one of the previously mentioned offenses. If approached by a law enforcement officer, you must state that you have a concealed carry permit and are carrying concealed. Our concealed carry permit numbers just happen to be the same as the NC drivers license number, only with the addition of the letters "NC" at the end of number. If a law enforcement officer runs your license plate, and finds out who the vehicle is registered to, I suspect they already know if the owner has a permit before they stop him. NC just passed the reciprocity law to honor other states permits. (I'm not sure it's all states, I think only those that NC feels may meet NC's standards). In all instances, the use of deadly force is justified only if the threat is immenint, right now, immediate, no way to get away. I was stopped on night by mistake by 2 deputies driving seperate cars. They had mistakened me for a "domestic abuse" suspect. When they approached my truck I could hear them talking about being careful, and that I was "one bad dude". With my hands at 10 a 2 o'clock on the wheel and window down, I said to them as they shined the light in my drivers window, "I have a concealed carry permit, and I am carrying concealed. What would you like for me to do with my weapon?" The very next words I heard were, "**** we got the wrong guy". It's true that concealed carry permit holders are some of the most honest and law abiding people and law enforcement will generally recognize it.
rdln
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livincountry
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I am glad the law passed in Ohio and I will likely get a permit once the excitement dies down and the wait is not so long. I have never been a victim of crime and being 6'2" and a muscular 240 lbs there are easier victims than me! Why get a permit? because I can and I'd like the training for the sake of safety.
I recall a news program years ago examining the Concealed Carry in Florida that was causing car jacking of rental cars to sky rocket - the criminals knew that out of towners would not be carrying a gun and were easier victims. As a result car rentals removed the stickers from the exterior of all vehicles.
For what it's worth, Ohio's Gov. Taft said he would pass the concealed weapon law once elected so he was obligated to pass some form of the permit.
I recall a news program years ago examining the Concealed Carry in Florida that was causing car jacking of rental cars to sky rocket - the criminals knew that out of towners would not be carrying a gun and were easier victims. As a result car rentals removed the stickers from the exterior of all vehicles.
For what it's worth, Ohio's Gov. Taft said he would pass the concealed weapon law once elected so he was obligated to pass some form of the permit.
Conservative1
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good. Tn law says it doesn't have to be concealed, they do recommend you conceal it though. For instance- say you're in a store robbery. The thug can see your gun plainly on your side- you will likely be the first person shot. Best to keep the element of surprise and conceal it.
I have a permit- my wife has a permit. We carry legally, though I'd prefer not to be required to ask permission and spend all that money for what I believe is a right- as long as I obey the laws and haven't a felony record. After all, those thugs don't have to ask permission, why should I?
Overall, some folks don't like guns... fine. Live and let live I say.
But- I want the ability to decide what my own personal crime rate will be. I believe if my wife is attacked, she has a much better chance of surviving than the thug does, because we train, mindset, and shoot often. And ain't that the way it oughta be?
Gun carry good. Thugs bad.
I have a permit- my wife has a permit. We carry legally, though I'd prefer not to be required to ask permission and spend all that money for what I believe is a right- as long as I obey the laws and haven't a felony record. After all, those thugs don't have to ask permission, why should I?
Overall, some folks don't like guns... fine. Live and let live I say.
But- I want the ability to decide what my own personal crime rate will be. I believe if my wife is attacked, she has a much better chance of surviving than the thug does, because we train, mindset, and shoot often. And ain't that the way it oughta be?
Gun carry good. Thugs bad.
Interesting posts about two kinds of people who carry weapons -- good, concerned citizens with training and responsibility, like those who have responded, and thugs.
I don't have a problem with that. I respect the good guys who carry, and none of us have been able to find a way to prevent the thugs from carrying -- all we can do is protect ourselves, one way or another.
My only problem with this whole situation is that there is a third category of people who may be carrying a concealed weapon -- idiots. To the best of my knowledge, none of the state laws have an idiocy test. Many idiots appear perfectly lucid and can appear to be attentive during training classes.
Of the three categories -- responsible people, thugs, and idiots, idiots are far in the majority. We see them every day -- exhibiting road rage, passing on curves, driving drunk, holding loud cell phone conversations in public, being rude on elevators, scalping tickets, cutting into line -- these are people who are don't think and who don't care about others. They already cause most deaths on the highways and other places. The thought that one of them may be carrying a concealed weapon causes me more fear than all the thugs put together.
Everything I've said is just common sense. I won't turn this into a political discussion by proposing any solutions; I'm not qualified. As a matter of fact, I'm not against CCW laws, but they don't make me rest any easier.
I don't have a problem with that. I respect the good guys who carry, and none of us have been able to find a way to prevent the thugs from carrying -- all we can do is protect ourselves, one way or another.
My only problem with this whole situation is that there is a third category of people who may be carrying a concealed weapon -- idiots. To the best of my knowledge, none of the state laws have an idiocy test. Many idiots appear perfectly lucid and can appear to be attentive during training classes.
Of the three categories -- responsible people, thugs, and idiots, idiots are far in the majority. We see them every day -- exhibiting road rage, passing on curves, driving drunk, holding loud cell phone conversations in public, being rude on elevators, scalping tickets, cutting into line -- these are people who are don't think and who don't care about others. They already cause most deaths on the highways and other places. The thought that one of them may be carrying a concealed weapon causes me more fear than all the thugs put together.
Everything I've said is just common sense. I won't turn this into a political discussion by proposing any solutions; I'm not qualified. As a matter of fact, I'm not against CCW laws, but they don't make me rest any easier.
Currmudgeon
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My only problem with this whole situation is that there is a third category of people who may be carrying a concealed weapon -- idiots. To the best of my knowledge, none of the state laws have an idiocy test. )</font>
Too many of us would be certified as Idiots. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Seriously, the states that have CCW laws don't seem to experience the idiocy problem you postulate. Maybe the idiots don't get permits, and so are classified with the thugs. But the great majority of license holders seem to be mighty careful dudes.
Too many of us would be certified as Idiots. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
Seriously, the states that have CCW laws don't seem to experience the idiocy problem you postulate. Maybe the idiots don't get permits, and so are classified with the thugs. But the great majority of license holders seem to be mighty careful dudes.
Currmudgeon
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Re: we need a national carry law
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Does the prolifiration of armed citizens have anything to do with the lack of armed terrorists attacking within the United States ??? )</font>
I don't think so. So far, I can't think of a terrorist action in the US that would likely have been resolved by Joe Citizen and his pistol. I don't think it's part of the terrorist planning scenarios, here. A couple of mass murders, yes, but not terrorism per se.
Now, if we had a rash (heaven forbid) of terrs shooting up malls or something, then the Israeli Factor, where the nearest armed citizens engage the terrorist with their belt guns, would probably evolve if political reaction didn't make it impossible.
Would that disuade terrs? I doubt it. It's mighty hard to disuade someone planning to die. It might make them a little less effective, though.
There are a couple of mass murders and school shootings where self defense has come into play. In schools, I recall one school shooter being killed with the Principal's illegally held pistol. Another perp was tackled by a couple of unarmed wrestlers. So maybe CCW by staff in the schools makes some sense, but we're getting way out into never never land. Those sorts of incidents have been so rare that it's tough to develop a tactical way of thinking about them. May they stay rare.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Does the prolifiration of armed citizens have anything to do with the lack of armed terrorists attacking within the United States ??? )</font>
I don't think so. So far, I can't think of a terrorist action in the US that would likely have been resolved by Joe Citizen and his pistol. I don't think it's part of the terrorist planning scenarios, here. A couple of mass murders, yes, but not terrorism per se.
Now, if we had a rash (heaven forbid) of terrs shooting up malls or something, then the Israeli Factor, where the nearest armed citizens engage the terrorist with their belt guns, would probably evolve if political reaction didn't make it impossible.
Would that disuade terrs? I doubt it. It's mighty hard to disuade someone planning to die. It might make them a little less effective, though.
There are a couple of mass murders and school shootings where self defense has come into play. In schools, I recall one school shooter being killed with the Principal's illegally held pistol. Another perp was tackled by a couple of unarmed wrestlers. So maybe CCW by staff in the schools makes some sense, but we're getting way out into never never land. Those sorts of incidents have been so rare that it's tough to develop a tactical way of thinking about them. May they stay rare.
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