Contract Flailing

   / Contract Flailing #31  
Here's my comparison:

Cutting speed: Rotary
Cost to buy equipment: Rotary
Cost to maintain the equipment: Rotary
Durability of the equipment: Rotary
Safety: Flail
Quality of cut: Flail

So, the rotary wins 4 to 2 in these categories, & the 2 categories the flail wins don't appear to be high priority for these contractors' customers.

Forgot one KEY area.....Cost to OPERATE equipment: Rotary wins that one by a landslide


Quality of cut: Have you ever followed behind a flail that has seen SEVERE damage to knives after 10 minutes of cutting? That's roughly the time frame where we had to staop and spend HOURS changing knives. Again, MOST commenting in this thread have no concept of the mowing conditions MOST highway ROW mowers operate under.

But I do see one area where flails would hold a definate advantage.....That would be income for bankruptcy attornies representing mowing contractors.... It's not as much that they do or don't do a decent job.....It goes further.....It's as simple as the FACT there is no place for them in this line of work if you want to stay in business.
 
   / Contract Flailing #32  
Forgot one KEY area.....Cost to OPERATE equipment: Rotary wins that one by a landslide

Agreed, & I edited my post.

Quality of cut: Have you ever followed behind a flail that has seen SEVERE damage to knives after 10 minutes of cutting? That's roughly the time frame where we had to staop and spend HOURS changing knives. Again, MOST commenting in this thread have no concept of the mowing conditions MOST highway ROW mowers operate under.

I think that could be covered in the "Cost to maintain the equipment" and/or "Durability of the equipment" categories. But maybe a "Downtime" category could be added.

But I do see one area where flails would hold a definate advantage.....That would be income for bankruptcy attornies representing mowing contractors.... It's not as much that they do or don't do a decent job.....It goes further.....It's as simple as the FACT there is no place for them in this line of work if you want to stay in business.

Man, you seem to hate flails to the extent leonz loves them :laughing: Did a flail mower steal your girlfriend one time? :p
 
   / Contract Flailing #33  
Gentlemen.....and Leonz..... I have this tendency to see things as they really are. Reality is my reality. "What could be" is something little kids and poets dwell on. (I'm 63 years old, and you don't see much of this post rhyming....) As of this moment, I haven't bid any mowing jobs for the State of Utopia. In the world of commercial mowing, the reality is, low bidder gets the work. #2 bidder might as well be #5000. It's like NASCAR legend Dale Earnhardt used to say, "2nd place is just the first loser".

Much is made of the saftey issue. Do you know what the most common cause of injuries while mowing highway ROW's is? It's vehicles colliding with tractors/trucks/employees. (To the tune of roughly 75:1 ratio compared with flying debris. ) While flying debris gets ALL the attention, there's still a VERY low incidence of that happening relative to the number of mowing rigs in service across the country. In 3-1/2 years since my firm has been mowing highway ROW's, we have yet to have the first incidence of a motorist being hit. (While we HAVE had 3 tractors hit by cars while the tractors were mowing IN THE FLIPPIN' MEDIAN) The number of collisions is relative to the amount of hours spent "in the line of fire". Use flails....Mowing time expands 2 to 4 times what would be expected while using rotaries. (Smaller mowers/slower ground speeds) Hence, more time in "the line of fire". And that's not counting the hours spent parked along side the roadways repairing damage to flail mowers vs rotaries. Flails typically require more mowers operating at much lower ground speeds. So the saftey issue ends up being a virtual wash.... Those of us who've actually done this sort of work with BOTH types of mowers realize this part of the equasion. The industrial engineers who write bid specs for county/state/federal highway mowing contracts realize this too... There is your reason why they don't specify EITHER type of mower....Injuries per mile of highway mowed show NEITHER has an advantage when all is said and done. Use rotary mowers and we're off the roadway faster, hence less likelyhood of accident. MORE chance of actually making a buck for my troubles. There is MY "reality".

The cold hard reality is, the ONLY true safe way to mow highway ROW's would be to close the roads to vehicular traffic while they were being mowed. Any idea of how likely THAT is to happen?

So here we are, back to the point where several proponents of flail mowers seem to be PURPOSELY misrepresenting the FACTS (or at the very least, IGNORING FACTS) in order to promote their own agenda.

Ignoring reality, even if only for the purpose of debate, is still not reality.

For anyone who is offended by my tendency to call a spade a spade, sorry, but that's just the way it is. You probably won't need to go far to find people on TBN who've noticed I don't/won't sugar coat things.

Oh yeah.....I ALMOST have all the Caffine Free Diet Pepsi washed off my monitor after I read Leonz little snippet about rotaries promoting the rat population. That there is funny stuff, I don't care who you are!!! ;)
 
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   / Contract Flailing #34  
My county owns & operates at least 2 tractors with 7' or 8' Mott (I think) flail mowers on them. I've seen them several times. Next time they're in my area I'll get a pic of them.

They prob only operate them since it's county & not low bid. Although in my very liberal county I wouldn't be surprised if engineers or bid spec authors required the use of flails. Hey, it's only money, & not even their money.
 
   / Contract Flailing #35  
Man, you seem to hate flails to the extent leonz loves them :laughing: Did a flail mower steal your girlfriend one time? :p

No to the "girlfriend" in literal terms....They did however "steal" several hundred hours of productivity (and my OTHER "girlfriend".....M.O.N.E.Y.) while I kept giving them second, third, fourth, and fifth chances.

Actually, I don't "hate flails", I simply know their limitations in relationship to their worth in the ROW mowing business/contract mowing. They're just fine for people mowing pastures, lawns, ect, where time and money aren't so critical.
 
   / Contract Flailing #36  
So whats the consensus here ?!?! Flair or Rotary? :anyone:

LOL
 
   / Contract Flailing #37  
My county owns & operates at least 2 tractors with 7' or 8' Mott (I think) flail mowers on them. I've seen them several times. Next time they're in my area I'll get a pic of them.

They prob only operate them since it's county & not low bid. Although in my very liberal county I wouldn't be surprised if engineers or bid spec authors required the use of flails. Hey, it's only money, & not even their money.

Jefferson County Kentucky (ie Louisville) is the next county to where I live. Their school board (Jefferson County Board of Education) once used flails to mow school campus'.

A little background on JCBOE and their thoughts on fiscal responsibility.....JCBOE is in the final stages of hiring a new director. During that process, it was made public they have over 100 HOURLY employees making over $100,000 per year. (Not to mention another 75 salaried employees) Their ratio of 100 thou employees is reported to be the highest in the nation.

Last surplus equipment auction they held, all their flails were on the block. They were replaced by various sizes of rotaries. The auctioneer explained that the JCBOE sold the flails because "they were too expensive to operate". Consider the source......

It's not just me that feels this way.....
 
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   / Contract Flailing #39  
Looked for a kicking dead horse emoticon but no findy.

Where is Dargo when you need him :laughing:


Funniest thread I've read all day. :thumbsup:

FWJ what else can we get you riled up about...surely Leonz loves something else this much huh? I haven't seen a reply from him...probably too busy hugging his Flail
 
   / Contract Flailing #40  
Funniest thread I've read all day. :thumbsup:

FWJ what else can we get you riled up about...surely Leonz loves something else this much huh? I haven't seen a reply from him...probably too busy hugging his Flail

Riled up? Surely you jest! If I was riled up, the mods woulda moved in on us by now. I'm actually enjoying this battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Like I said, I don't sugar coat things, and you won't need a microscope to find people who'll tell you that.

If I was a manufacturer of flail mowers, I'd chip in and send Leonz a FREE mower. (Under the condition he quit speaking about them on a public forum! ;) )
 
 

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