COP 357 4 shot derenger

   / COP 357 4 shot derenger
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#51  
First thing. I have a gun by my bed, but this post has me taking second thoughts about going back to Florida on a vacation if the locals think they need the fire power described on this post. :laughing:

as long as you are not planning on robbing anybody or other criminal acts.. I'd say you would rather be pretty safe here... if trouble breaks out.. there are plenty of trained law abiding gun owners here ready and willing to protect you.

soundguy
 
   / COP 357 4 shot derenger
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#52  
Is crime really that high where you all live? Or just paranoid?



I also have many firearms in my house too. low crime and staying that way.

neither especially high crime nor paranoia.

does having a spare tire in your car make you paranoid about getting a flat tire or are you simply prepaired?

I'd rather be prepaired vs sticking my head in the sand and be ignorant of the POSSIBILITY of danger, when it's so easy to be prepaired. besides. guns are a good investment. I don't own a single gun that is worth less than when i bought it.. ie.. used value is more than new due to either inflation or collectability.

any where you find humans.. you get human behavior. and with the economy like it is.. some people do bad things more often than when times are good.

seat belts don't constitute paranoia.. neither do flotation devices in a boat.. or self defense guns at a home. all are emergency tools to help you survive in a specific emergency.

soundguy
 
   / COP 357 4 shot derenger
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#53  
Just an observation....If you have been watching the News with the shooting in Arizona the first thing the authorities did was to seize the shooters computers and they are going to backtrack and see what he posted and the web sites he visited..Might be a good idea to keep that in mind when posting what you think you would do if you ever had to shoot an intruder...if , God forbid, you ever had to shoot an intruder all of your past posts and internet usage will come into play...I'm just saying.....:)

and I see no problem talking about lawfull self defense plans.

kinda like having a safety metting at work and identifying the fire exits and knowing where you meet up at... it's all planning for safety... my safety anyway.. not the robber. he's on his own and responsible for whatever he gets himself into while breaking the law ...

soundguy
 
   / COP 357 4 shot derenger
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#54  
I've become fond of the 20 gauge. Lightweight, small, and very mild recoil (even with some stouter loads) that lets you shoot in any position

while for general shooting, targets, clays..e tc.. I have moved to a 20ga for shoulder health :).. for self defense. I'll keep the 12ga and heavy buck loads... I want the threat mitigates asap for the safety of myself and my familly.

soundguy
 
   / COP 357 4 shot derenger #55  
while for general shooting, targets, clays..e tc.. I have moved to a 20ga for shoulder health :).. for self defense. I'll keep the 12ga and heavy buck loads... I want the threat mitigates asap for the safety of myself and my familly.

Although I've never shot a 20 gauge at a two legged creature, after running some "catalog" tests, I don't doubt it's stopping effect at CCQ with some heavier loads (added the fact that my wife feels comfortable with the gun as well).

and I see no problem talking about lawfull self defense plans.
Secure family, defend secure/barricade area, call police ASAP, and let the threat come to you. Personally, I'd lever leave a secure area and go looking for the threat in my own home. That is where the planning comes into play.

Keep in mind, living "out in the country" and having as many dogs as I do as well as some other security measures, I find it very hard to believe that someone is going get close to my house (let alone into it) without me knowing about it.
 
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   / COP 357 4 shot derenger #56  
... I don't know of an LEO who discharges their weapon NOT to neutralize the threat. You don't shoot to wound, even if that is how it ends up (assuming the LEO believes his life is in immediate danger)....

Sig, I was referencing choice of caliber not intent or ability. i.e. Snipers use large caliber bolt actions because they plan to get the job done with one shot. I remember when police depts went from wheel guns to semi autos because they were up against gangs with mac 10s. Must have worked 'cause you don't hear much about Mac 10s anymore. Miked74t
 
   / COP 357 4 shot derenger #57  
I remember when police depts went from wheel guns to semi autos because they were up against gangs with mac 10s. Must have worked 'cause you don't hear much about Mac 10s anymore. Miked74t

I'm guessing you don't hear much about Mac 10s anymore because you had too many bad people shooting themselves because they didn't know how an open bolt design worked:D

Perhaps TV had it all wrong, but I believe in the 20's the bad guys had Tommy guns.

The sad fact is I would agree it is easier now for people to out arm the LEO departments today.
 
   / COP 357 4 shot derenger #58  
Personally, I'd lever leave a secure area and go looking for the threat in my own home. That is where the planning comes into play.

My neighbors were telling me their alarm went off at 3:00am the other morning. (it was later determined to be a false alarm). They jumped out of bed, shut off the alarm and checked the panel to see what triggered. It was the unattached garage. The wife said her husband was up and out in the yard in his shorts in a heartbeat. They were both laughing since it was a false alarm. I said "What were you going to do if someone was there? Hope they are scared of a naked guy? Since you shut off the alarm so quick, don't you think the intruder in the garage knows you are coming to check it out? What if he stayed around to see if you came out to check?" They both kind of paused. I think it hit them that running out into the yard in your shorts at 3:00am probably wasn't the safe or smart thing to do. Bursting out of your back door to meet an armed intruder. Especially when you are hyped up on adrenaline from being woken from a sound sleep by a blaring alarm. To top it all off, we can see the county police station from our driveways. It is 1/4 mile away. Its not like we're out in the middle of nowhere. We have excellent police coverage and response. :confused:
 
   / COP 357 4 shot derenger
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#59  
ditto those points. maximize safety. and a good alert system is great. either keeps threats away.. or gives you advance warning. my dogs make great furry burgler alarms..

soundguy


Although I've never shot a 20 gauge at a two legged creature, after running some "catalog" tests, I don't doubt it's stopping effect at CCQ with some heavier loads (added the fact that my wife feels comfortable with the gun as well).

Secure family, defend secure/barricade area, call police ASAP, and let the threat come to you. Personally, I'd lever leave a secure area and go looking for the threat in my own home. That is where the planning comes into play.

Keep in mind, living "out in the country" and having as many dogs as I do as well as some other security measures, I find it very hard to believe that someone is going get close to my house (let alone into it) without me knowing about it.
 
   / COP 357 4 shot derenger #60  
1. 5 rounds from behind the barricade at the 25 yard line in 15 seconds.
(this is the only time the barricade can be used to brace on if desired)

2. 5 rounds from the 15 yard line in 10 seconds.

3. 15 rounds from the 7 yard line, 3 turns of 8 seconds each.
Fix the weapon the way you want it and holster after each turn; i.e., each 5 round turn. If you're using a semi-auto that holds 15 rounds, you don't have to reload, but otherwise . . . you're on your own.

4. 10 rounds from the 3 yard line, 2 turns of 8 seconds each.
One-handed only; i.e., on the first turn, draw and fire 5 with the strong hand only, then transfer the weapon to the other hand and be ready to fire the next 5 with that hand only. Again, you may or may not have to reload depending on the weapon you're using.

5. 15 rounds from the 7 yard line in 25 seconds, one turn of the target.
Semi-autos can only have 5 rounds in each magazine, speed loaders can have 6 rounds in them, but you can only fire 5 before reloading, so in addition to firing 15 rounds in that 25 seconds, you have to reload twice, or as they call it "complete a combat load" twice.

So, it's a little more difficult qualification than the CHL proficiency test. The other fly in the ointment is that the CHL test only requires a score of 70 to pass. The police course minimum passing score is 80. And the only concession for us old retirees was that on that final 15 rounds, if using a semi-auto, we could load 7 & 8 in two magazines instead of 5 each in three magazines, so only had to reload once.

First time I tried this course with the revolver without knowing what to expect, I only scored 83.2 and had 5 rounds left over; didn't reload fast enough on that final 15 (I was only putting 5 in the speed loaders instead of 6 and dumping a live round each time which is recommended). And first time with the Sig P229, I only scored 92.4, so I hope to do better next month.

No offense, but to an IPSC or IDPA competitor, of even C or D Class these times allowed for completion of these courses of fire are laughable. If you want to improve your shooting ability for real you must compete. No going to the range once in a while will hone your ability to shoot fast and accurate. You must shoot constantly. If you want to achieve Master or Grand Master, you need to fire 100 live rounds daily with some dry fire practice doing draw and fires in a safe place. I was never that dedicated, and never made it past B class, but even today, old and fat and totally out of practice, I would not hesitate to take that course of fire with those requirements. A good shooter can do and "El Presendente" which is turn, draw, and fire 2 rounds each on 3 targets at 10 yards, reload and fire 2 rounds each on the three targets in under 3.5 seconds.. Even I could do it in 5 to 6 seconds depending on whether it was a compensated or non-compensated gun. And I never was any good.
James K0UA
 

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