Corona Virus # 3

[txdon]

Don't negate the good of sauerkraut with hotdogs for your immune system.


"Immune System:

Like any virus, SARS-CoV / Covid-19 attacks people with low immune systems and people who get ill easily due to weak immunity responses. The Immune system is built on beneficial live bacteria that lives in the gut (built from fiber-rich foods) which protect the human body from disease. When the immune system response is low, weak, or damaged it becomes a open invitation for either contagious (coronavirus) or non contagious diseases (diabetes, heart disease, cancer).

Plant-based foods increase and help the intestinal flora, the intestinal “good” bacteria, and the overall gut microbiome health which makes up to 85% of the body’s immune system. On the contrary, animal foods deplete the body from good bacteria, promote inflammation, and are the underlying cause of cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, hepatitis B, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, chronic kidney diseases, and cancer.

Prevention:

Fending off contagious or non-contagious diseases depend in great part on an individual’s diet and nutrition. Eating organic whole plant foods with good amounts of leafy greens and fiber-rich foods (legumes, whole grains, beans, vegetables), avoiding animal products including (poultry, fish, pork, beef, and dairy), and adding a lactobacillus probiotic to the everyday routine are key factors.

Protecting ourselves from disease goes beyond washing hands and wearing a mask. It requires providing the body with the appropriate defense mechanism to allow it to stay strong even during times of biological threat."
Health Status and the Role of Nutrition on SARS-CoV / Covid-19 - Naked Food Magazine

 

[ultrarunner]

Was at Wallyworld today and saw 2 gals with masks on. Looked kind of stupid, ordinary particle masks that do nothing to protect anything except to contain you own bad breath... Must have been a fashion statement....lol

Masking is often to protect others... especially masks that are not a tight fit.

On a side note... N95 is just one of the masks offering user protection... N99 is even more secure but never mentioned... then we have respirators that do a great job.

For years I would get the worst allergy reactions in the spring doing yard work... started wearing my Binks painting respirator... as silly as it looks and zero allergic reaction after a day working outdoors.

Think of standard surgical masks which are designed to protect the patient and other staff.

Until recently, as the first person in at 4:30 am each day, I would make the rounds and started to wipe down all the flat surfaces, door handles, door lock code push buttons, pens, admitting desks, drinking fountain handles, keyboards, telephone keypads and handsets... in the main surgery waiting room/lobby.

Found the Lysol disinfectant wipes good to work with... and the early patients arriving have been most appreciative pre-Corona...

No one specifically asked the engineer to do yhis but since we had some early morning security issues I had been asked to spend time up front in the early morning hours once the doors open at 5:30 am...

Rather than just sit around as is often the case with security I started with the Lysol wipes and alcohol prep pads... like to keep busy and enjoyed the public interaction.

Three weeks ago I was reassigned to work on budget analysis on another floor but I know no one is doing the 45 minute morning lobby wipe downs because there is no one... the admit clerks are busy admitting and arrive the same time the lobby is open to the public.

It is not that I am a clean freak but I have been blessed with never having a sick day in 29 years and also known for handwashing facility wide with standard hospital antibiotic scrub...

Phones and Keypads are some of the dirtiest things I have come across... those little foil packs of alcohol wipes are just the ticket for phones and keypads.

 

[5030]

Really dude? Two days ago you were making fun of people wearing masks in public. :confused3:

I didn't make fun of them, I said they are for all practicality, useless. I stated, maybe a fashion statement but little else.

Really dude..... really. In your case, a mask covering your entire mug might be an improvement but then, maybe not. Candidly, I don't much care what your opinion is.

 

[ovrszd]

I didn't make fun of them, I said they are for all practicality, useless. I stated, maybe a fashion statement but little else.

Really dude..... really. In your case, a mask covering your entire mug might be an improvement but then, maybe not. Candidly, I don't much care what your opinion is.

You actually said they looked stupid. That's kinda like making fun of them.

I think you should "ignore" Steppy since you don't much care what his opinion is.

 

[Big Barn]

You actually said they looked stupid. That's kinda like making fun of them.

I think you should "ignore" Steppy since you don't much care what his opinion is.

Actually to be fair he only said they looked KINDA stupid.

 

[sd455dan]

Don't negate the good of sauerkraut with hotdogs for your immune system.


"Immune System:

Like any virus, SARS-CoV / Covid-19 attacks people with low immune systems and people who get ill easily due to weak immunity responses. The Immune system is built on beneficial live bacteria that lives in the gut (built from fiber-rich foods) which protect the human body from disease. When the immune system response is low, weak, or damaged it becomes a open invitation for either contagious (coronavirus) or non contagious diseases (diabetes, heart disease, cancer).

Plant-based foods increase and help the intestinal flora, the intestinal å*µood bacteria, and the overall gut microbiome health which makes up to 85% of the bodyç—´ immune system. On the contrary, animal foods deplete the body from good bacteria, promote inflammation, and are the underlying cause of cardiovascular diseases, diabetes, hepatitis B, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, chronic kidney diseases, and cancer.

Prevention:

Fending off contagious or non-contagious diseases depend in great part on an individualç—´ diet and nutrition. Eating organic whole plant foods with good amounts of leafy greens and fiber-rich foods (legumes, whole grains, beans, vegetables), avoiding animal products including (poultry, fish, pork, beef, and dairy), and adding a lactobacillus probiotic to the everyday routine are key factors.

Protecting ourselves from disease goes beyond washing hands and wearing a mask. It requires providing the body with the appropriate defense mechanism to allow it to stay strong even during times of biological threat."
Health Status and the Role of Nutrition on SARS-CoV / Covid-19 - Naked Food Magazine

From what I can find, this may also help

More sleep

Coronavirus Epidemic Update 16: Strengthening Your Immune Response to Viral Infections (COVID-19) - YouTube

 

[ultrarunner]

On a side note I have been seeing to it that mom gets out twice a week to the nearby senior center... for the social interaction and activities.

This has been going on about 9 months now and even though the facility is very nice it has crossed my mind the outings greatly increase her exposure second only to church where everyone shakes hands and shares communion cup...

Wonder just how much of a risk it is... especially since those that are ill do and will attend.

 

[Molalla1]

And for George Burns! Actually, it was a bad joke...I don't smoke. Ironically in my family the ones who did outlived ones who didn't.

Yep my grandmother (born in late 1800's) lived to 93 and she smoked Pall Mall straights for as long as I can remember to the day she died. :confused3:

 

[Fuddy1952]

Yep my grandmother (born in late 1800's) lived to 93 and she smoked Pall Mall straights for as long as I can remember to the day she died. :confused3:

Mom's Dad was a physician. He never even drank soda, did everything right. He did make it to 87, he needed a heart valve replacement.
Dad's Dad was alcoholic, smoked cigars, overweight, ate garbage, no exercise, 93.

 

[aczlan]

If my math is correct 18,000/40,000,000 is .045%
14/340 is about 4.1%

You are right...nothing to worry about less than 100 times the death rate.

BTW, if it infects 40,000,000, at that mortality rate...over 1,600,000 dead.

but numbers are just numbers.....Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Look at the numbers from the Diamond Princess, WAAAAY lower and that includes people being exposed multiple times from being on a floating petri dish:

This is where the*Diamond Princess*data*provides important insight. Of the 3,711 people on board, at least 705 have tested positive for the virus (which, considering the confines, conditions, and how contagious this virus appears to be, is surprisingly low).*Of those, more than half are asymptomatic, while very few asymptomatic people were detected in China. This alone suggests a halving of the virus’s true fatality rate.

On the*Diamond Princess, six deaths have occurred among the passengers, constituting a case fatality rate of 0.85 percent. Unlike the data from China and elsewhere, where sorting out why a patient died is extremely difficult, we can assume that these are excess fatalities—they wouldn’t have occurred but for SARS-CoV-2. The most important insight is that all six fatalities occurred in patients who are more than 70 years old. Not a single*Diamond Princess*patient under age 70 has died. If the numbers from reports out of China had held, the expected number of deaths in those under 70 should have been around four.

The data from the*Diamond Princess*suggest an eightfold lower mortality amongst patients older than 70 and threefold lower mortality in patients over 80 compared to what was reported in China initially. But even those numbers, 1.1 percent and 4.9 percent respectively, are concerning. But there’s another thing that’s worth remembering: These patients were likely exposed repeatedly to concentrated viral loads (which can cause worse illness). Some treatments were delayed. So even the lower CFR found on the*Diamond Princess*could have been even lower, with proper protocols. It’s also worth noting that while cruise passengers can be assumed to be healthy enough to travel, they actually tend to reflect the general population, and many patients with chronic illnesses go on cruises. So, the numbers from this ship may be reasonable estimates.

This all suggests that COVID-19 is a relatively benign disease for most young people, and a potentially devastating one for the old and chronically ill, albeit not nearly as risky as reported. Given the low mortality rate among younger patients with coronavirus—zero in children 10 or younger among hundreds of cases in China, and 0.2-0.4 percent in most healthy nongeriatric adults (and this is still before accounting for what is likely to be a high number of undetected asymptomatic cases)—we need to divert our focus away from worrying about preventing systemic spread among healthy people—which is likely either inevitable, or out of our control—and commit most if not all of our resources toward protecting those truly at risk of developing critical illness and even death: everyone over 70, and people who are already at higher risk from this kind of virus.

This still largely comes down to hygiene and isolation. But in particular, we need to focus on the right people and the right places. Nursing homes, not schools. Hospitals, not planes. We need to up the hygienic and isolation ante primarily around the subset of people who can’t simply contract SARS-CoV-2 and ride it out the way healthy people should be able to.

Yes, this disease is real. And, yes, there truly do appear to be vulnerable patients among us, those far more likely to develop critical illness from it. And that relatively small subset, if infected in high numbers, could add up to a tragically high number of fatalities if we fail to adequately protect them.

Aaron Z