Damaged block installing block heater L5240

[Coyote machine]

Or dad is just into guilt tripping his kid!:confused3::laughing:

What a nightmare! Looks like you're going to have your work cut out for you for long time ahead. i agree completely with reassembly as soon as possible so memory serves.

If it were me, I'd be photographing every step of the project to have reference points, etc. I can't emphasise this enough, if opportunity is missed it's then too late.:confused3:

 

[LD1]

Reference pics for later reference are certainly helpful.

Just did a rebuild on my 5500 backhoe. Didnt take many pictures and even if I did, I probably wouldnt have used them. But there were a few times I had to take a bolt back out or something back apart because I forgot a bracket, or shield, etc

 

[truckdiagnostics]

I am of the "zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance", photographic mind school of mechanics. I do have to agree the longer it lays around the harder it is to put back together.

 

[ruffdog]

If you work at a dealership, then you have to remember how multiple vehicles came apart, and where all the parts are, as all the carcasses are waiting for parts.

 

[ovrszd]

I don't think the OP will have any problem at all.

I will say, it adds another level of uncertainty having a helper. But it'll all be good.

 

[GPintheMitten]

Reminds me of when I disassembled a brass and glass chandelier so I could polish it. Put it in a couple of brown paper grocery bags.

A few months later I couldn't figure how to put it back together. Bought a new dining room light. This was before digital cameras and before AL Gore invented the internet.

 

[ovrszd]

Reminds me of when I disassembled a brass and glass chandelier so I could polish it. Put it in a couple of brown paper grocery bags.

A few months later I couldn't figure how to put it back together. Bought a new dining room light. This was before digital cameras and before AL Gore invented the internet.

Good one!!!!

 

[s219]

I have a chainsaw torn completly apart that I was going to rebuild the day after I ended up injuring my hand in a log splitter. That was about 2 weeks ago. I would have been fine going on memory back then, but by the time my hand heals I'll be lucky if I can remember where I put all the pieces, much less how they go together. Hopefully it won't be too bad. I can probably dig up an exploded parts diagram to help.

 

[oldpilgrim]

When I replaced the engine in my Toyota, my brother helped me. I worked on the left side and he worked on the right, both coming out and going in. It went very well that way.

 

[C4Ranch]

Dad helped today. His methods were a bit different than mine. I was marking bolts on my side of the tractor only to find that he was setting his in random order someplace. Several times I would tell him how I don't want to mess this up. He would just point to the block heater and say " like you did on that".

There's a good possibility we're related.

You're doing a great job. You're gonna have this back in service in no time!!

 

[Adiredneck]

We pulled some more logs out this morning until noon. Had some lunch and then started to mount the engine to the engine stand. Had to make 2 trips to get the correct length metric bolts.

I pulled the head tonight. I dunno. The holes are above the top of the piston at BDC. There is not a lot of metal between the cylinder and the water passages. I won't know for sure until I take it to the machine shop. Before I strip anything else, I might as well load it up and take a ride this coming week. My hopes are not high.

 

[ovrszd]

We pulled some more logs out this morning until noon. Had some lunch and then started to mount the engine to the engine stand. Had to make 2 trips to get the correct length metric bolts.

I pulled the head tonight. I dunno. The holes are above the top of the piston at BDC. There is not a lot of metal between the cylinder and the water passages. I won't know for sure until I take it to the machine shop. Before I strip anything else, I might as well load it up and take a ride this coming week. My hopes are not high.

I agree. You should show the machinist what he's working with. Good Luck!!!!

 

[countrybumpkin]

Dang, hate you had this problem, but least you know for sure what happen and are able to handle the labor of removal and install yourself.

 

[Adiredneck]

I also inspected the other cylinders. Cylinder 3 has a gouge in it. I can just barely feel it with my fingernail. Cylinder 2 has one, but it is less pronounced. Probably nothing a hone won't take care of.

 

[TomSeller]

You must have had a dang sharp drill bit. Not sure what they will say. Better down low where there is little compression pressure.

Similar situation but even lower:

Drilled Hole into Engine Block - OrangeTractorTalks - Everything Kubota

 

[LittleBill21]

I also inspected the other cylinders. Cylinder 3 has a gouge in it. I can just barely feel it with my fingernail. Cylinder 2 has one, but it is less pronounced. Probably nothing a hone won't take care of.

even if you have to get a new head your still way ahead on expenses.

 

[sd455dan]

even if you have to get a new head your still way ahead on expenses.

The block is the problem, head was ok unless I missed something,

if the shop is still up for it:

That's where I am right now. I was quoted $400 for the one cylinder to be welded, bored and sleeved to factory diameter from a shop 30 minutes from where I work.

I would still go for it- If it's a good shop they will tell you after looking at it whether it is ok for the previously quoted procedure. Here's hoping for the $ 400 fix

I am also wondering where in its stroke the piston was when the hole was drilled, you may still need to buy a new piston if it was drilled to.

 

[Adiredneck]

The block is the problem, head was ok unless I missed something, if the shop is still up for it: That's where I am right now. I was quoted $400 for the one cylinder to be welded, bored and sleeved to factory diameter from a shop 30 minutes from where I work. I would still go for it- If it's a good shop they will tell you after looking at it whether it is ok for the previously quoted procedure. Here's hoping for the $ 400 fix I am also wondering where in its stroke the piston was when the hole was drilled, you may still need to buy a new piston if it was drilled to.

Yes, head is fine. I planned on buying a new piston and rings for that cylinder anyways.

 

[truckdiagnostics]

You must have had a dang sharp drill bit. Not sure what they will say. Better down low where there is little compression pressure.

Similar situation but even lower:

Drilled Hole into Engine Block - OrangeTractorTalks - Everything Kubota

see #7 on the above link. I know most that have posted here seem to think a machine shop for fixing and assembling your engine is the next best thing since sliced bread. I do not happen to agree. They are in the business of machining so they are going to have a tendency to tell you a liner is going to work fine. Also, in the grand scheme of things, they are the ones with very little labor into the repair if they mess up. I prefer to have the machine shop do the machining, then I like doing the assembly. It is also looking like the OEM won't recommend the liner as a repair. Your doing fine. Based on what i have seen you should be able to assemble the block. You will end up having to buy our borrow some measuring equipment, but you will have them for a life time.

 

[Adiredneck]

I just measured the distance between the damaged cylinder and the next cylinder. .318. Not as bad as I thought. The distance to the closest coolant passage: .211. So the bore on this engine is 3.40". Looking at some cylinder liners tonight, the OD is 3.59 on a 3/32" liner. So I am looking at .19 of difference. Deduct .003 for a press fit and I figure they will need to bore the cylinder to 3.587. That's a difference of .187. Divide by two, and there will be .0935" of metal to remove from the cylinder all the way around. Correct me if my math is fuzzy. This keeps me from thinking about the 6 grand I was quoted for a remanufactured engine.