Diesel Additives

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   / Diesel Additives #41  
You seem to forget Lubrizol does not sell additive in a bottle to the average Joe on the street. They make and sell the additives that oil, grease, fuel additive manufacturers use. They are a key player in the industry in setting standards for diesel, gas, oil... specs all over the world. The engineer that gave the lectures at the meeting I was at is actually the head of the European board that is designing their new diesel fuel standards.

Remember last year when they had the Mad Cow scare in Canada and the US banned beef imports. The Canadian government called Lubrizol. They are the ones that suggested that they render them into tallow and turn them into bio fuel. Apparantely Canada in the near future will greatly decrease their beef exports and start to grow cattle to turn into bio fuel. Thank Lubrizol for that.

Remember the problems "some" people in the US had this last winter with ULSD fuel gelling at temps as high as 7 deg. F. above 0. Lubrizol is the one that figured out what the problem was. Since the new refining processes have been introduced to manufacturer ULSD there are different paraffin wax molecules now found in the fuel. The chain molecules now found in ULSD have shifted to longer type unsaturated molecules. Some of the additives people were using was actually making the gelling problem worse. Lubrizol had samples of gelled fuel filters they did analysis on that they could not get the wax to reliquify until it reached 147 deg. F. Way higher then ever seen before in the US. The problem apparantly was that some of the diesel fuel pour depressants used were being added in 4 or 5 times the mix ratio's suggested because they were not working. The additives in the depressants actually combined with the unsaturated molecules and formed compounds that had never been seen before. Thank Lubrizol for all the research on this.

Lubrizol is not just a additive manufacturer. They are the go to people when anyone in the industry has a problem. Need training in lubricants engineering or want to become CLS or STLE certified, Lubrizol is the company to see.
 
   / Diesel Additives #42  
DieselPower said:
Apparantely Canada in the near future will greatly decrease their beef exports and start to grow cattle to turn into bio fuel. Thank Lubrizol for that.

Well that is just plain stupid! Spend a TON of money, food, and energy on a cow to turn it into fuel? Do you realize how inefficient that is?

I don't want to get into a argument here. But when I see something that "just doesn't look right" I have to say something.

If this company IS the king of ALL fuel additives, then they WILL protect their market going as far as to convince everyone to make a fuel that REQUIRED their products. Do you really think that they would be part of the engineering and designing process for fuel and recommend a "perfect" fuel formulation? That would be putting themselves out of business. The best thing for them to do would to be in on the "designing" of a new "inferior" fuel and then be the only ones who know how to fix it and selling that "fix" to the world. It's called "making a job for yourself".

So, to put it another way...if Lubrizol are the ones that helped create this new diesel, then THEY are partly responsible for its "crappyness" and therefore are NOT as great in engineering as they'd lead you to believe. Or, they are VERY dishonest and helped create a fuel that REQUIRES their additives. Or, the government screwed everyone again and this company has to bail us out.

So, what do you suggest we add to our tractor fuel?

Again, I'm NOT trying to be an *** here, I just want the straight scoop...
 
   / Diesel Additives #43  
They DO NOT make fuel additive in a bottle. Lubricant and fuel additive companies contact them and actually buy the chemicals (additives) that go into diesel/gas/heating oil additives as well as engine oil, grease, etc... from them. They have no part in the manufacturer or marketing of the fuel additives or lubricants you would buy.

As far as the production of bio fuel from cows. The figures I saw actually showed that there is more money to be made by turning a cow into fuel then into beef for sale at the local super market. Don't blame Lubrizol, it was Canada that wanted to do it. In fact, we had a good lecture on all the problems caused by bio-diesel. Basically the feeling I got was "Not in my tank".
 
   / Diesel Additives #46  
DieselPower said:
As far as the production of bio fuel from cows. The figures I saw actually showed that there is more money to be made by turning a cow into fuel then into beef for sale at the local super market. Don't blame Lubrizol, it was Canada that wanted to do it. In fact, we had a good lecture on all the problems caused by bio-diesel. Basically the feeling I got was "Not in my tank".


Let's look at that for a second. A large cow will weigh 2000 pounds. Let's assume that there is a magic process that turns the whole cow into bio-diesel, horns, hooves, skin, guts, tail and all. 100% conversion of cow to bio-d. 2000 pounds of bio-d. At 7 pounds per gallon that's 285 gallons. At 3 bucks a gallon thats $857 per large cow at 100% conversion.

A realistic conversion would get just the tallow and convert that to bio-d. Fat content of a cow is what, 20%? assume a 90% conversion of fat to fuel and you get 360 pounds of fuel or 51 gal of bio-d. At $3 a gallon that's $153, gross. Labor, materials, energy, capitol investment, insurance etc is going to eat up most of that, leaving about 10% or $15.30 for the farmer - best case.

I don't think any of the beef farmers around me will be signing up for that deal any time soon...

Me thinks that someone was pulling your leg on the cow to fuel deal.

jb
 
   / Diesel Additives #47  
The cow to fuel thing reminds me of the ethanol debacle- many experts say it takes more energy to produce ethanol than you get out of it as fuel.

Then I recently read an interesting article where the author claims hydroelectric projects create more green house gases than a coal plant! Seems rotting vegetation and fish kills etc produce more gases than burning coal per killowatt hour..
Hard to know what to believe anymore:confused:

But back to the regularly scheduled diesel additive discussion- the test on diesel fuel lubricity additives I linked shows I have gotten a little benefit in the Power Service Diesel Kleen I've used for years but there may be better alternatives out there, of course I was/am buying it also for its alleged cleaning abilities so the upcoming cow diesel doesn't plug up my fuel filters:D
 
   / Diesel Additives #48  
DieselPower said:
Apparantely Canada in the near future will greatly decrease their beef exports and start to grow cattle to turn into bio fuel. Thank Lubrizol for that..
Another brilliant move by a government, turning yet another food into fuel.
 
   / Diesel Additives #49  
What, we need food to eat. :) No one ever said the government was smart. It's the reverse logic thing.
 
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