Diesel exhaust fluid

[TheGoose]

Got to agree with Storm. Your Anti-GM stance is well known in this forum.

As far as your disapproval of the bailout that is your business. I think that the bailout was more the result of GM's upper management rather than the company as a whole. If the company had competent leadership it would have not needed a bailout in the first place.

There are quite a few people who feel exactly the opposite about GM trucks vs. Ford. There are legions of 6.0 diesel owners who would gladly trade theirs for a D-Max. Of course, you've never had any problems with yours but the D-Max was a hunk of junk.

I think both companies make great products, but at times let the little things get out of hand as far as quality.

BTW: I drive a Ford 6.0 PSD.

Chris - I am not assuming anything. Your anti GM posts here are well documented, and your love of Ford is also well documented. I am not meaning in any manor to start something, that is just the way it is.

It is very easy to say you would drive your vehicle through the showroom, but something tells me you are smarter than that. Because you know in the long run you would pay dearly for it, probably land in jail over it, and in the end it would accomplish nothing.

I hear you on the redneck thing, but again you seem like a sharp guy and I am sure you know there are times when the good guy just does not win.

Regards

Storm

 

[Bigkrank]

Just some FYI links to those curious about heated washer fluid, doesn't pertain to original topic. Yes, I agree GM could have handled it much better. Original unit was made by the lowest bidder and they went out of business. They should have manned up and replaced them with these.

The most I use it is in the summer actually, takes the bug guts off a lot better.

AlphaTherm Heated Wash AT-37GM is direct replacement for ALL factory installed General Motors “GM” heated washer fluid modules

Comparision between original and replacement:

http://www.alphathermusa.com/files/Comparison_MH35_vs_AT37.pdf

 

[pilot-werx]

And to think when working on gas turbines used to pump oil on the north slope pipe line while with GE R&D we could simply inject steam into the exhaust to knock down the NOX.....

Since we can only use urea on the ramp in the winter in front if my hangars, I wonder what it would take to mix my own fluid?

 

[sparc]

Ford video about DEF and its use.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF5Oggb7gUk]2011 Ford Super Duty Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF) Tutorial - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mikeeemo]

Folks ranting in every thread. Seems to be a lot of unhappy people. The question is; what are you all going to do about it?

This forum is full of smart people with a lot of passion in what they believe.

I have read 10 random threads on various subjects.

They all degraded to political discussions.

I pray to God, that you all are prepared to act this year and every year going forward.

Details matter, elections matter, standing up for on another, matters.

Do your best in everything you do.

You have a job, give it your all.

You manage people? Treat them right.

Divided we fail.

Mike.

 

[Mikeeemo]

Oh yeah, DEF is a way to make money and make the diesel less desirable.

That is my 2 cents, for this thread.

 

[two_bit_score]

Oh yeah, DEF is a way to make money and make the diesel less desirable.

That is my 2 cents, for this thread.

And they get to blame it on the govt.

 

[JasG]

Folks ranting in every thread. Seems to be a lot of unhappy people. The question is; what are you all going to do about it?

This forum is full of smart people with a lot of passion in what they believe.

I have read 10 random threads on various subjects.

They all degraded to political discussions.

I pray to God, that you all are prepared to act this year and every year going forward.

Details matter, elections matter, standing up for on another, matters.

Do your best in everything you do.

You have a job, give it your all.

You manage people? Treat them right.

Divided we fail.

Mike.

I think it is because there isn't one area government doesn't stick it's nose in. With diesel yes they should have been cleaned up, but there was corruption and they did it in a way intentional or not that screwed American diesel engine companies, mainly Deere, Cat, and Navistar.

The government should have allowed DEF/SCR 10 years ago. Cat acutally sued in the late 1990's to allow other things to control emisions but lost in court. Instead the EPA mandated EGR only till 2006-2007. Then late in the game changed the rules so DEF was OK. Too me this gave a huge advantage to anyone with European ties due to they were allowed to use DEF over there. Everyone who has a overseas partner is using DEF, the 3 American companies are all going EGR because that is the direction they went world wide. That was why Cat got out of the over the road engine buisness and Navistar is trying to sue the EPA for mandating EGR, then not.

Most of these rules came from CARB (CA Air Resource Board) and the EPA just rubber stamped them. The guy who did the studies was a fruad and all of his work was full of mistakes. This has been known by members of CARB for years yet they said nothing. Many believe it was to set the bar so high as to make diesel must less affordable and not about health.

This is just one story about the CARB fraud.
http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Daily/2009/Dec09/113009/120309-02.htm


With crap like this going on, is it a wonder people aren't mad?

 

[Mace Canute]

Sounds like Hien T. Tran looked at what the CARB people wanted and then made up "facts" to suit their desires. You can be quite sure that if his findings contradicted their desires that they would have instantly abandoned both Tran and his report as soon as they found out about his faked doctorate degree.

The CARB group reminds me a lot of the AGW crowd for some reason...

 

[jagyzf]

Sounds like Hien T. Tran looked at what the CARB people wanted and then made up "facts" to suit their desires. You can be quite sure that if his findings contradicted their desires that they would have instantly abandoned both Tran and his report as soon as they found out about his faked doctorate degree.

The CARB group reminds me a lot of the AGW crowd for some reason...

I think you are right. There is even a web site that wants to end CARB, don't know who is behind it, but they do have some interesting information. CARB has even tried dropping the C to change the name to ARB some think because of this fraud has given them such a bad name.

KILLCARB.ORG -

Another point about Cat, Deere and Navistar. They are some of the few compainies that have been bringing jobs to America instead of shipping them overseas over the last 10-15 years.

Deere has brought a CUT and Skidsteer production here among other things. Cat has brought in some engines that were made overseas and this year expanded in the midwest a plant. Cat also build a combine factory in partnership with Claas, closer to 15 years ago. Navistar bought the Cat over the road engine plant and is keeping the factory running. They could have sourced a overseas engine for there trucks.

Figures governments makes it harder on the hometown guys yet looks the other way when Chinese companies break the rules and infringe on patents and what not.

As far as AGW, isn't that what they do also? Come up with the theory, then come up with studies by hook or by crook that show what they want.