diesel pickups

Cityboyfarmer · Jun 15, 2005

( Remember: Keep as far away from the 6.0 (removed) choker as possible. If you gotta swing that way go find a 7.3, at least that one will run. My neighbor has had 3 of the 6.0's. 1st two were bought back for motor problems, third is in the shop now for another turbo. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif )

I've got a 2003 6.0 Excursion with no problems so far. They did have some issues when the engines first came out but they seem to have resolved them. I wouldn't count out any Powerstroke engine. They are quiet, smooth, economical and powerful. Last tank of fuel from a road trip to Virginia came out to 19.8 MPG.

I remember when the Cummins Dodge trucks first came out the owners I knew seemed to spend more time at the shop than on the road. Dodge worked their bugs out just like all manufacturers eventually do.

The Cummins engine is excellent, no doubt about it. I wish Dodge would develop a nice full sized SUV with a Cummins. The only complaint I have about Cummins is the noise level. You can hear 'em coming long before you see 'em!

Devildog · Jun 15, 2005

I have to agree with you. I got a 96 F250 and its still strokin. Cant complain one bit. Still getting 20 mpg hiway with 120K just broke in. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Dargo · Jun 15, 2005

Your '96 would be the 7.3. It is just as noisy as my '96 Cummins. The new 6.0 liter is quiet, but they are having some issues with it that they are trying to work through.

The 6 liter Ford is quiet, as the '03 and newer Cummins. Whoever said the Cummins had problems at the start must be confusing them with something else. My business partner's brother works at Cummins. Dodge was delayed by 2 years getting the Cummins engine while Cummins did trials with the Dodge truck at their testing grounds here in Indiana. On their test track, the 5.9 Cummins kept twisting the Dodge frames or breaking them when pulling a weight sled. That is what precipitated Cummins to "de-tune" their engine so much to go into the Dodges. They never had any engine problems. Loud, yes; problems, no.

gsxr1100 · Jun 15, 2005

I remember my 97 was not as load as the old 12 valve cummins. I do not know about the 24 valves or the new 6.0 to much. I know the 6.0 are a lot quiter and the GM is like a gas!

PBinWA · Jun 15, 2005

( well i heard that the new F150 will have a diesel in 07... i cant recall where i heard that... )

That would be awesome! Jeep is pushing their Diesel Liberty which is nice but a little too small for me. I guess the big issue is the EPA stuff. It would be nice to have a 4-5 liter diesel in a half ton pickup. It would meet my needs perfectly.

Anyone know of any other auto-makers entering the 1/2 ton market with a Diesel?

Dargo · Jun 15, 2005

Mine is plenty loud from both the engine and from the 5" exhaust. Want me to back it up to the computer for you to hear? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm not going to sneak up on anybody! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Devildog · Jun 15, 2005

Dargo,
Yes it is loud and as the saying goes loud diesels save lifes /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I also love the smell of diesel in the morning /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I come from and Old line of truck drivers.

Av8r3400 · Jun 15, 2005

The only problems with the original 12 valve Cummins motors were idiots putting gasoline in them. They are (not were) about as bullet proof as any motor has ever been. Nope, I'll stick with a noisy 12 valve Cummins (either VE or P7100) over any of the new super-quiet, grocery getter, mom's taxi, aluminum headed, computerized junk they are trying to pass off as a truck motor. I'd love to find a '98 Quad-Cab 12 valve 5-speed long box, the holy grail of diesel pickups!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

RobertN · Jun 15, 2005

Ya, when your pickup is louder than my Harley...... It's loud /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Actually, my Harley aint that loud; I run stock pipes with factory high-flow tips.

_RaT_ · Jun 15, 2005

Nope, I'll stick with a noisy 12 valve Cummins (either VE or P7100) over any of the new super-quiet, grocery getter, mom's taxi, aluminum headed, computerized junk they are trying to pass off as a truck motor 

Wow, kind of a dogmatic, arrogant and pompous attitude we seem to have picked up in this thread. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Dargo · Jun 15, 2005

( Wow, kind of a dogmatic, arrogant and pompous attitude we seem to have picked up in this thread. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif )

Oh yeah, check out the thread on where a guy bought himself a new Dell. He got an Apple attack. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

johnday · Jun 15, 2005

Noisy? Stinky? Yeah, my Strokers pretty loud, can't sneakup on anyone either. Stinky? Yeah, if I stick my tailpipe in my window. Point is, where I sit, it's not loud, and it's not stinky. Doesn't bother me at all. If you smell my exhaust your obviously TOO close, so just back off and drive sanely. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Rat; this wasn't aimed at you. You were just the last post. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Once in beautiful downtown Detroit. I pulled up next to a cop that was yapping on a cellphone with his window down. Nice sneer I got from him. A Motor City hello, I guess. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif He rolled up the window sneering all the time. Guess he couldn't hear too well. Good example on his part eh? Yapping on the phone and driving and sneering at a law abiding citizen. No, I don't think cops are bad. I support them every day, but why did he have to sneer at me? /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

cowboydoc · Jun 15, 2005

Show me an big block gasser F250 Ford or Dodge 2500 4x4 with 4.11's and an auto, that can pull 18mpg on the highway. 

Boy you are exactly right Robert. That line that a gas engine is going to get as good as a diesel is way off. Maybe a half ton with a light v-8. But you put a like engine like the V-10 that is going to make comparable hp and it isn't even close. I don't know anyone with a 10 cylinder in Ford, Chevy, or Dodge that can even get 12 consistently.

As far as longevity any of the big 3 diesels should oulast a comparable gas engine by at least a 2 to 1 margin. If you plan on keeping your truck 250-500k it's a no brainer.

_RaT_ · Jun 15, 2005

I did not see that thread. It's funny though to see where folks line up. I must admit, I'm not a pickup or car nut, I see it as more of a necessary inconvenience. Maybe that happens as traffic continues to worsen everywhere you go. Now if the car could fly over the traffic, that would be something to get a bit pompous about! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Cityboyfarmer · Jun 15, 2005

( Nope, I'll stick with a noisy 12 valve Cummins (either VE or P7100) over any of the new super-quiet, grocery getter, mom's taxi, aluminum headed, computerized junk they are trying to pass off as a truck motor 

Wow, kind of a dogmatic, arrogant and pompous attitude we seem to have picked up in this thread. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif )

You Dodge boys sure are defensive. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Whats up with that? Its just a truck. You did not manufacture it yourself so why dog out the other brands? (Cause its fun, right?) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Me, I buy from whoever I believe has the best value at the time I purchase it. If there's a problem with it, I admit it. No skin off my arse, I didn't build it. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

My old 92' Chevy gasser has 284,000 miles on it. Put a new engine in it at 185,000, but it still has the original transmission. I plan to keep it about 5 more years at which time I will buy a Ford, Dodge or Chevy, whichever presents the best value at the time. I have zero automotive dealer loalty.

Friday, I will load the family in Mom's taxi with the leather seats, DVD, CD six speaker killer entertainment system, Perelli tires, 6.0 quiet fuel efficient computerized engine and head to Sanibel Island for a two week vacation while you fellas fight the Ford/DodgeChevy war. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If Dodge made an SUV this nice with a Cummins I might be driving it to Sanibel.

Well, I gotta run get a couple hours of seat time 'fore dark. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Later

Dargo · Jun 15, 2005

( Me, I buy from whoever I believe has the best value at the time I purchase it. If there's a problem with it, I admit it. No skin off my arse, I didn't build it. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

Uh, I own a Lincoln, a couple of Dodges, a Chevy (and, yes, I did actually manufacture that over the course of the last 5 years - pictures in the photo area), a Honda, a VW, a Ford, a Toyota, and others. I don't think I can be pegged as being very loyal to a particular brand. Does that make me a traitor? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

gsxr1100 · Jun 15, 2005

( Show me an big block gasser F250 Ford or Dodge 2500 4x4 with 4.11's and an auto, that can pull 18mpg on the highway. That's the best I have done in my stock '01 Ram 2500 quad cab long bed 4x4 Cummins. I take a hit in fuel mileage with the 4.11's and auto. )

I agree! I know my 1997 F350 Powerchoke did not get 18 towing, no way! It got 18 mpg unloaded and that was it. With 4:11's good luck! It was a nice truck but I did not need it with the hude delta in diesel. There is over $0.05 delta here. Thanks but no thanks.

Cityboyfarmer · Jun 15, 2005

( I don't think I can be pegged as being very loyal to a particular brand. Does that make me a traitor? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif )

Nah, not a traitor. A trader, yes. Traitor, no /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Variety is the spice of life /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Cityboyfarmer · Jun 15, 2005

Did we hijack this guys thread or what? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

RedRocker · Jun 15, 2005

97 Dodge dually, #10 plate, 16 cfm non waste gated turbo, 4" exhaust, 4K gov. spring kit, 6 speed NV5600. I love my truck!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif