Diesel prices?

keving · May 29, 2008

patrick_g said:
You really think European fuel prices have much impact on us?

I think they have a ton of taxes built in their price. If they peel the taxes off the Euro fuels, they would likely be close to ours....I think...

MikePA · May 30, 2008

LBrown59 said:
Ya but
If theirs was lower so would b ours 2.

No, it wouldn't. They have a lot more taxes on their fuel.

Robert_in_NY · May 30, 2008

On road diesel here is $5/gallon, ag diesel is $4.30 (was $4.50 a week ago). I wish I could have filled my tanks last year but when I got hurt my income took a nose dive so now it is going to cost me an extra $500 to fill my tanks

LBrown59 · May 31, 2008

MikePA said:
No, it wouldn't. They have a lot more taxes on their fuel.

I bet 5 years ago theirs was lower than it is today just like ours was.

MikePA · May 31, 2008

LBrown59 said:
I bet 5 years ago theirs was lower than it is today just like ours was.

You missed the point of amigauser, Post #77.

Robert_in_NY · May 31, 2008

I found this chart interesting

Gasoline tax information - New York City Gas Prices

jinjimbob · Jun 2, 2008

keving said:
I think they have a ton of taxes built in their price. If they peel the taxes off the Euro fuels, they would likely be close to ours....I think...

Nope, theirs would be a lot less.

In Europe, about 80% are taxes, and a gallon of gasoline costs $8. (US sized gallon)
In the US, about 11% are taxes, and a gallon costs $4.

US cost: $4 minus 11% = $3.56 tax free cost. (in WA)
Europe cost: $8 minus 80% = $1.60 tax free cost. (in the UK)

The oil companies make a LOT more money off us in the US.

Why do they charge that much? Because they can, its a free market.

Another point, Bio-Diesel needs to die a quick death. Its stupid and is does nothing for the environment. It just sucks in tax subsidies, more fuel is used to grow the stuff (bio part) than it creates.

Eagleview · Jun 2, 2008

$2.00 a litre at Yamba NSW last weekend , that's $9.08 an AU gallon folks .

patrick_g · Jun 3, 2008

jinjimbob said:
The oil companies make a LOT more money off us in the US.

Why do they charge that much? Because they can, its a free market.

Actually it is not THAT FREE of a market. There is defacto price fixing at multiple levels. Perhaps not actionable transgressions of the law but the effect is the same. The consumer is being taken advantage of.

Although fuel is not a completely inelastic demand item, it nevertheless is for a significant "core" portion of our consumption. Until or unless there is a significant restructuring of American lifestyle we will still be consuming significant quantities of fuel to commute to and from work and for shopping. Obviously, part of our fuel use is discretionary but until serious lifestyle changes and infrastructural changes are wrought we will complain and complain and continue to try to maintain our previous automotive behavior even when it no longer serves us best.

We fail to read the handwriting on the wall and continue to live in denial in oh so many ways, even in national energy policy and especially in alternative fuels.

There is more to a proper response to the fuel situation than just "batching" trips in the car like picking up a loaf of bread on the way home from work.

This afternoon I have to hitch up the trailer and make a trip to town to buy fence materials like gates, plus many other items. I am not happy that the Prius (45+ MPG) can't be used and I have to make the 70 mile or so trip in a diesel truck towing a trailer.

Aside from all the complaining I see no effect on driving habits for the most part, surely not a reduction in traffic on the road.

I looked at a web site which posts the highest and lowest gas prices in the state. I am no where near the cheaper fuel and will be driving the F-250/trailer to Ada, Oklahoma where the highest prices were posted.

Pat