Diesles for 2014

[kuboman]

yes the tier 4 interim engines run good but like i said have been around for a little bit and the bugs worked out. the tier 4 final engines will either have the particulate filters on them that collect the exhaust particles and dispose of them through high heat="regeneration" or using another fluid=urea, that mixes in the exhaust chamber and emits only water vapor out.

and yes this is only in the larger hp engines now and yes it has been it big rigs and trucks for a couple of years now, BUT

where i work, the state transportation dept., we have a lot of mack and international dump trucks. the new ones (since 2010) have had the new tier 4 final standards on them. in particular the regeneration/particulate filter type. and like i say, THE BUGS, now when plowing snow on state highways, when the truck needs to regenerate, the operator has to pull over and park for about 30-40 minutes, in a snow storm, for the truck to regenerate. if the operator does not do this, the engine system becomes clogged and the truck loses power and eventually will shut down.

now "technology" is so great that the older trucks (with OUT the new tier 4 final standards/systems) can just keep on trucking and plowing.:confused2: that is a bug. the trucks are supposed to regen while driving, BUT that is at highway speeds, for a certain amount of time. can't do that when using for utility/service work such as plowing snow. that is why you have to do "parked regeneration"

and what do you think the truck is running on when it is at high idle for 30-40 minutes "regenerating"? diesel fuel. yes, now we are tring to be fuel efficient, but have to pull off the road and do an EXTRA process that costs more fuel!:confused2: ANOTHER BUG that needs worked out. just ask ford power stroke owners how they tell when their pick up truck is done regenerating. most will say, "when i notice the miles per gallon go back up".

now, the newer trucks that have tier 4 final emmission standards are getting better at this. they regenerate more on their own while being operated. but the first models had that bug to work out. same will hold true for the tractors. in fact some engine companies stopped making engines, due to not being able to meet tier 4 final standards.(CAT) those companies have other engines in their equipment.

and another thing, all this extra stuff on the equipment will mean more to go wrong. when was the last time you had a manuel 4wd lever on a 4x4 break? probably not as often as an "electronic" push button type. so now we are adding more electronics on tractors, so now more to go wrong. all these reasons are why i will buy now, before tier 4 final hits the smaller hp engines. i am not against cleaner air, just against the goverment implementing their plan wasting more of my hard earned money on new technology that is not refined YET! yes i believe this new tier 4 final will get the bugs worked out, but it will be a bit. then i might look at a tier 4 final tractor then.

But, but government always knows what's best for you and me.:laughing::mur::cloud9:

 

[CHDinCT]

So another $3K in cost for a BX size tractor so we can get marginally cleaner emissions? Am I reading that right? Me thinks the cost vs benefit equation is about to go negative. Too bad our government can't figure that out. Insane. Glad I bought mine last year, and I hope I don't need to upgrade for a long while.

 

[charleyfarmall]

We all complain about a little added expense to keep the air clean. Jeez, imagine if you had one of those giant ocean going super tankers that spews more crud into the air than all the cars trucks and tractors combine and you had to upgrade your boat to make the air clean.... oh wait, sorry, they don't have to.

 

[kuboman]

We all complain about a little added expense to keep the air clean. Jeez, imagine if you had one of those giant ocean going super tankers that spews more crud into the air than all the cars trucks and tractors combine and you had to upgrade your boat to make the air clean.... oh wait, sorry, they don't have to.

Nor do the railways or the mining industry. I rest my case.

 

[PHILIP8N]

Nor do the railways or the mining industry. I rest my case.

I cannot speak about ocean frieght shipping or railways, but the company I work for makes equipment for the oil and gas industry, as well and the mining and drilling industry. We have been building T4i equiment since 2009, and now we are building larger T4i equipment with Cummins QSB4.5, Cat C7.1, C15, and C18, with horsepowers from 156 thru 755. Some of these compressors even go to the US Navy, so the government is abiding by the rules set in place as well. Philip.

 

[Baby Grand]

I was pleasantly surprised when I started using my t4i L tractor in 2007. It ran much cleaner than I remember diesels from the past and the fuel doesn't stink. New cars run really clean - when was the last time you had to suffer the fumes of the guy in front of you on the road? None of this would have happened without government mandates. That's what government is for - effecting change that private industry can't or won't enact. I'm getting tired of "the gumment is responsible for everything that is bad, so let's throw the government down a well" thinking.

What kind of government do you expect to get from people who think the government can't do anytthing right?

 

[CHDinCT]

What kind of government do you expect to get from people who think the government can't do anytthing right?

First off, not to make this political but my point is that there is a point of diminishing returns and I think when you add $3K to the price of a sub $20K piece of equipment to obtain modest air quality improvements, you've gone too far. Never said government doesn't have a role to play and that sensible regulation is needed.

If the typical SCUT costs $15K, and I think that's probably high, the added cost equates to a 20% increase! I don't see how that's not going to hurt the market for these machines which means lost jobs - another cost not factored in. And that leaves out any degradation in reliability, which I'd guess would drop at least initially.

 

[PHILIP8N]

How do we KNOW $3000 is being added to the price of a BX machine? Show me this. All we know is some mis-informed over talkative exaggerating Kubota dealer told a customer that the price was going to be $3000 higher in 2014. For all I know, he was just pushing and scaring the customer into making a sale now before it is too late and the world comes to an end. Philip.

 

[CHDinCT]

How do we KNOW $3000 is being added to the price of a BX machine? Show me this. All we know is some mis-informed over talkative exaggerating Kubota dealer told a customer that the price was going to be $3000 higher in 2014. For all I know, he was just pushing and scaring the customer into making a sale now before it is too late and the world comes to an end. Philip.

Show me it's not $3k. I really don't know but I have to assume a large Kubota dealer is more in the know than the average user on what the cost increase will be. All I'm saying is that if it is even close to $3K, even half that, I think it doesn't add up cost benefit wise.

 

[kuboman]

What kind of government do you expect to get from people who think the government can't do anytthing right?

What do you get when the people think the gumment can do nuttin wrong.

Oh wait I know... lemmings.