digging a ditch
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gwdixon
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Wow, going to need a lot more information than is in the post:
1. Do you have a FEL?
2. What is the current condition of the pasture? Plowed, disced, compacted?
3. Does the box blade have scarifiers (diggers)? How wide is it?
4. What other ground engaging equipment do you have?
5. Do you have front weights on the tractor and/or filled tires?
6. How deep will the ditch be and how long?
1. Do you have a FEL?
2. What is the current condition of the pasture? Plowed, disced, compacted?
3. Does the box blade have scarifiers (diggers)? How wide is it?
4. What other ground engaging equipment do you have?
5. Do you have front weights on the tractor and/or filled tires?
6. How deep will the ditch be and how long?
3' wide, 1' deep, and roughly about 200 feet long
gwdixon
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Thanks for the information.
Since you only have the box blade, this job will be an adventure.
First you'll need to rip the compacted soil to the depth the scarifiers will reach. Probably six inches at best. It will take many passes back and forth with the scarifiers to completely loosen compacted soil. Then lift the scarifiers and remove that soil from the intended ditch with the box blade.
Not having a FEL complicates the matter since you really have no way to completely remove the soil from the area. You'll likely have to spread the removed soil on one side of the ditch. Just drive down the ditch and drag it out and away while slowly lifting the box blade to spread it thinly.
A 3' box blade won't hold much soil so the removal procedure will have to be done every three or four feet. Then circle back and pick up the excavating. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
Once you get the first 6" out you will have to start all over again from the beginning to get the next 6" out to make the desired 1' depth. Not having seen your box blade you might only be able to get 4" of ripping done so will have to do the procedure three times.
With a 21 HP, 2 WD tractor the job is going to take a lot of time to go 200 feet. Just an out-of-the-blue guess would be 30 to 40 hours depending on the soil composition. I'd also want the soil to be a bit damp so the scarifiers can dig to maximum depth over several passes.
Good luck. It can be done but patience is going to be a major requirement. Also, within the first hour you will get an idea of what needs to be done and how to do it. Go with what works.
Since you only have the box blade, this job will be an adventure.
First you'll need to rip the compacted soil to the depth the scarifiers will reach. Probably six inches at best. It will take many passes back and forth with the scarifiers to completely loosen compacted soil. Then lift the scarifiers and remove that soil from the intended ditch with the box blade.
Not having a FEL complicates the matter since you really have no way to completely remove the soil from the area. You'll likely have to spread the removed soil on one side of the ditch. Just drive down the ditch and drag it out and away while slowly lifting the box blade to spread it thinly.
A 3' box blade won't hold much soil so the removal procedure will have to be done every three or four feet. Then circle back and pick up the excavating. Repeat, repeat, repeat.
Once you get the first 6" out you will have to start all over again from the beginning to get the next 6" out to make the desired 1' depth. Not having seen your box blade you might only be able to get 4" of ripping done so will have to do the procedure three times.
With a 21 HP, 2 WD tractor the job is going to take a lot of time to go 200 feet. Just an out-of-the-blue guess would be 30 to 40 hours depending on the soil composition. I'd also want the soil to be a bit damp so the scarifiers can dig to maximum depth over several passes.
Good luck. It can be done but patience is going to be a major requirement. Also, within the first hour you will get an idea of what needs to be done and how to do it. Go with what works.
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Would a box blade be the "best choice?" Probably not the best choice but it can be done. Most of us here operate with less than ideal attachments.
Actually I would go at it a little different than gwdixon suggested. I'm assuming the sides will slope down to the bottom? I would go at it with one side deeper than the other and drag the dirt out at an angle as you loosen it, assuming that you can spread it out alongside the ditch.
The small tractor will slow you down but it doesn't mean it can't be done.
Good luck.
Actually I would go at it a little different than gwdixon suggested. I'm assuming the sides will slope down to the bottom? I would go at it with one side deeper than the other and drag the dirt out at an angle as you loosen it, assuming that you can spread it out alongside the ditch.
The small tractor will slow you down but it doesn't mean it can't be done.
Good luck.
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I am with Ken on this. Just use the adjustable linkage on the right side of your tractor to lower one side of the box blade then proceed to dig so the one side digs a trench and the high side carries out the diggings. You will end up with a V ditch rather than a flat bottom one, but it will require less soil to be removed and dispersed. If the box blade is the width of your tractor, then just put your tires against the trench as you reverse direction, if not, it will be a bit harder to gauge where the wheels should be to align the cut. If you insist on a flat bottom, then you will have to make it the width of your box blade and that will require a lot of soil removal and dispersal of the spoils over a large area (don't want a hump between the ditch and what it is draining) In this case you might want to do a technique similar to GW
Dixon's comments and loosen up the soil with the scarifiers as much as possible for the width of the box blade then pulling 90 degrees to the ditch, drag it out to each side. I think I would alternate dragging one load to the left of the ditch and the next to the right so that equal amount of dirt is distributed to each side. This will take some finesse with the controls to get the elevations the same all the way thru.
A better alternative might be to hire a small dozer with a 6 way blade to cut that ditch for you and spread out the spoils. An hour with a dozer would make that ditch easily.
Dixon's comments and loosen up the soil with the scarifiers as much as possible for the width of the box blade then pulling 90 degrees to the ditch, drag it out to each side. I think I would alternate dragging one load to the left of the ditch and the next to the right so that equal amount of dirt is distributed to each side. This will take some finesse with the controls to get the elevations the same all the way thru.
A better alternative might be to hire a small dozer with a 6 way blade to cut that ditch for you and spread out the spoils. An hour with a dozer would make that ditch easily.
LD1
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IF it were me, I would start looking craigslist for a rear blade. A decient match for your tractor would be 5-6', and would likely only cost a few hundred used.
THEN, I would use the BB and rippers to break up the soil, then put the rear blade on and angle everything up and out of the trench.
THEN, I would use the BB and rippers to break up the soil, then put the rear blade on and angle everything up and out of the trench.
This is how i planned it out it out in my head make two passes down one side at an angle and then come back the other way and make two more passes the other side of the trench. Now im dealing with a decently wide v trench. If i have to do a third pass then so be it. At. This point the majority of the soil is onthe side of the trench and ii couldeun down the middle with my blade leveled out and try to flatten the bottom out. What I am trying to achieve is a trench my horse wont run the risk of breaking her keg if she happens to run through it. I was wrong in the BB, it is 4'. Also I'm not opposed to buuying another implement. I just wasnt sure on which one to look into.
gwdixon
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Ah, this changes the plan a bit. Look at the other guy's posts for a better method to get what you are looking for than in my post.
Used back blades are usually fairly inexpensive and would be the recommended attachment as already mentioned. 4' to 5' would be my recommendation for 21 HP / 2WD tractor.
Still, the soil will need to be loosened first with the box blade scarifiers since you have a compacted pasture and a light tractor. LD1 has a plan close to this.
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I would submit the idea of using a dedicated ripping implement like a potato plow/middle buster to speed up the work. Use that tool to make several passes to get your width where you like it, and then use the method outlined by Ken45101. You could make the ditch however wide you want it, surroundings permitting, and keep a relatively shallow slope. Even a turning plow will make a pretty nice ditch, very quickly, when reworked with a box blade.
Around here, a wide slope like that would be instantly full of pocket gophers, taking advantage of the downslope to dump their tunnel spoils. That might be a worse danger to your horse than a smaller, sharper ditch cut with just the middle buster and/or a corner of the box blade.
Your conditions, experience, and implement situation will affect the time, but I think a realistic estimate of getting a suitable ditch done with my similar Yanmar machines would range from 45 minutes to GWDixon's estimate of 30 to 40 hours. I think trying to cut it with just a box blade really might take that long, while using a middle buster or turning plow to make a couple trips each direction, and a box blade to smooth it out, would take under an hour.
How much water does it need to carry? An honest 1 foot deep trench seems like it would be carrying a LOT of water. Is there any other way to ameliorate your ditch requirements?
Around here, a wide slope like that would be instantly full of pocket gophers, taking advantage of the downslope to dump their tunnel spoils. That might be a worse danger to your horse than a smaller, sharper ditch cut with just the middle buster and/or a corner of the box blade.
Your conditions, experience, and implement situation will affect the time, but I think a realistic estimate of getting a suitable ditch done with my similar Yanmar machines would range from 45 minutes to GWDixon's estimate of 30 to 40 hours. I think trying to cut it with just a box blade really might take that long, while using a middle buster or turning plow to make a couple trips each direction, and a box blade to smooth it out, would take under an hour.
How much water does it need to carry? An honest 1 foot deep trench seems like it would be carrying a LOT of water. Is there any other way to ameliorate your ditch requirements?
xzcVAbc5
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As far as the box blade idea goes:
EverythingAttachments has a Youtube video of how to use a box blade. In the video he explains how to cut a trench by adjusting the linkage (as other people in this thread mentioned). In the video they use a tractor probably twice as heavy and twice as much HP as yours. I would think ripping the soil with a moldboard plow and then using a box blade or regular rear blade would be the best, however, I've never had to do what you're asking. I'll edit this post with a link to the video when I get home, but you might search for something like what you're trying to do on Youtube so you can see what tractor and implement they use.
EverythingAttachments has a Youtube video of how to use a box blade. In the video he explains how to cut a trench by adjusting the linkage (as other people in this thread mentioned). In the video they use a tractor probably twice as heavy and twice as much HP as yours. I would think ripping the soil with a moldboard plow and then using a box blade or regular rear blade would be the best, however, I've never had to do what you're asking. I'll edit this post with a link to the video when I get home, but you might search for something like what you're trying to do on Youtube so you can see what tractor and implement they use.
joshuabardwell
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I have tried to cut a trench with a box blade, as shown in the EA video, and got awful results. The three-point linkage didn't give enough adjustment to make a very steep-walled trench, and the box blade didn't have enough weight to really cut in and get any depth. What I would have ended up with was a very shallow ditch that I would have had to make a lot of passes across to get the job done. IMO, a rear blade / grader blade would have done a much better job, because it would have put all its weight on the cutting point (vs. riding on the side-wall of the box blade). If I ever do get a grader blade, I hope to get one with built in tilt, so that I can adjust it to more like a 45 degree angle, versus the relatively shallow angle that my three-point gives.
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I see V-Trenchers on Craigslist periodically, usually not too expensive. Your small Yanmar may have troubles with them though.
I was talking to a local farmer that had a high speed spinning disk (perpendicular to the ditch) for ditching. The advantage is that it would fling the dirt further away from your ditch than something like a V trencher would typically do. Anyway, one could probably fabricate one up relatively easily, and it might be easier on a small tractor than a V trencher. I never saw it in action, and no photos, sorry.
I was talking to a local farmer that had a high speed spinning disk (perpendicular to the ditch) for ditching. The advantage is that it would fling the dirt further away from your ditch than something like a V trencher would typically do. Anyway, one could probably fabricate one up relatively easily, and it might be easier on a small tractor than a V trencher. I never saw it in action, and no photos, sorry.
I appreciate the suggestions. I have a creek that runs about 10 feet from the pasture. From what I have read it seems like it maybe more feasible to dig a few ditches to the creek instead of a 200-250' trench. Seems like a better option giving my tractor size
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Do a Google search with a query something like "create a swale with a boxblade"...I think you will find some useful information...
Good Luck...
Good Luck...
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Is the purpose of the ditch to control the creek when it runs full, or to move water from the pasture to the creek?
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Just my :2cents:
Find a used dirt scoop on CL, an auction or borrow one. Cut the bottom of the ditch first. If the sides need sloping straddle the edge with one set of tractor tires down in the ditch. After the ditch is finished use your box blade to level out what you took out of the ditch.
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JimRB
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I have little ponds in my pasture right now in the low spots. In a dry year those ponds will be dry. The low spots work their way downhill to a heavy rain washed out mini canyon. Very mini canyon as it is actually a wash that is 6 feet or less deep that works its way to a creek. Fence keeps the horses off the washed out area.
High ground water might be three feet lower next time we get a drought. This may be the wettest summer 30 days I have seen in a long time.
I dug out my barn area using a box blade with scarifiers and a MF23X tractor. I forget what size the tractor was but the friend had bought it to do hay with. I do not know how much hay they made as that is a lot of time. Anyways digging out 3 feet of dirt on one end of the barn just took a bit of time. I think it was a good weekend of work. Note that the Massey might have weighed more than your tractor and weight does work.
Depending on where you live in Georgia you may have lots of rock or little rock. Heck you might have all soil in one place and huge rocks a hundred feet away.
High ground water might be three feet lower next time we get a drought. This may be the wettest summer 30 days I have seen in a long time.
I dug out my barn area using a box blade with scarifiers and a MF23X tractor. I forget what size the tractor was but the friend had bought it to do hay with. I do not know how much hay they made as that is a lot of time. Anyways digging out 3 feet of dirt on one end of the barn just took a bit of time. I think it was a good weekend of work. Note that the Massey might have weighed more than your tractor and weight does work.
Depending on where you live in Georgia you may have lots of rock or little rock. Heck you might have all soil in one place and huge rocks a hundred feet away.
Ed of all trades
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The best tool for the job, with your tractor is a plow. Just keep plowing back and forth and once you get it close then use the box blade. A plow is cheep, and will do 2 jobs. Break up the soil and move it out to the side all at the same time.
