Everlast plasma?

[Mark @ Everlast]

Jim,
Next time take a look at the title of the thread before you post. Thanks for making it about a free ad for Hypertherm...which is typical.

Since you always seem to make these underhand compliments or slights or whatever you want to call it when you "generically" say "unlike other manufacturers"...I think you are becoming our best salesman.

Truth is you are behind the times on what other manufacturers do and don't do....

Here's the real rub Hypertherm just doesn't get:

In your/Hypertherm's quest to be the best and brightest star in the industry, they've forgotten their meat and potatoes about the growing section of the market that we are filling. So many changes rapidly make people hold off on buying your product indefinitely because next year their product is out of date. You always brag about how good the "new" product is over the old product, but when the old product was new, you boasted about how good it was...which is all a marketing ploy to get people to think that they "need" this newer product and wonder about the bill of goods they were sold with their older product. The evolution of torches and consumables, while its great to offer such array, keeps people constantly confused about what they need to purchase in the way of consumables. It's a great money deal for Hypertherm, because if you tell them you need this "special" consumable for this application, you can mark them way up and create a demand for them, selling more in the long run because surely your people can't function with one or two decently made consumables for many different applications. You could almost buy one of our smaller plasma cutters for the money people would have to spend to get a decent supply of all the consumables related to one single Hypertherm torch. And as Yomax alluded to, he could have still been cutting with a unit with a longer warranty...but the cost of boards to repair a Hypertherm with a shorter warranty, overshadow the design and service you offer. In fact, it's likely that the board for one HY 45 costs more than its worth to fix it, and possibly to buy a new Everlast with a full 5 year warranty. Time's a changin'....

 

[jimcolt]

Mark,

Title of the thread reads Everlast Plasma, however there are some statements about Hypertherm plasma within the thread that needed correction, so that is what was posted.

As long as the factories that make the products you import don't understand the concept of continuous improvement...then we will have little to worry about. In reality Hypertherm could easily build a unit that fit into the low cost priority market, however we would have to lighten up on technology that improves reliability, consumable life, cut quality and safety. That will not happen.

Not advertising, rather just correcting mis-statements regarding where things are built, lead flexibility, ease of use, etc., that may have been posted by someone that was not fully knowledgeable in these areas. In fact, I frequent this site because I have a Kubota 4310 tractor and a Kubota RTV900 utility vehicle in use at my NH horse farm.....looks like your title says you are here to advertise.....no tractor or implements?

And, FYI, I do forward a lot of buyers that have budget as their primary purchasing decision maker to the low cost imports. In all cases I direct them to the major brick and mortar suppliers such as Harbor Freight, Eastwood, etc, as they have company wide service and warranty policies that are strictly enforced.

Jim

Jim,
Next time take a look at the title of the thread before you post. Thanks for making it about a free ad for Hypertherm...which is typical.

Since you always seem to make these underhand compliments or slights or whatever you want to call it when you "generically" say "unlike other manufacturers"...I think you are becoming our best salesman.

Truth is you are behind the times on what other manufacturers do and don't do....

Here's the real rub Hypertherm just doesn't get:

In your/Hypertherm's quest to be the best and brightest star in the industry, they've forgotten their meat and potatoes about the growing section of the market that we are filling. So many changes rapidly make people hold off on buying your product indefinitely because next year their product is out of date. You always brag about how good the "new" product is over the old product, but when the old product was new, you boasted about how good it was...which is all a marketing ploy to get people to think that they "need" this newer product and wonder about the bill of goods they were sold with their older product. The evolution of torches and consumables, while its great to offer such array, keeps people constantly confused about what they need to purchase in the way of consumables. It's a great money deal for Hypertherm, because if you tell them you need this "special" consumable for this application, you can mark them way up and create a demand for them, selling more in the long run because surely your people can't function with one or two decently made consumables for many different applications. You could almost buy one of our smaller plasma cutters for the money people would have to spend to get a decent supply of all the consumables related to one single Hypertherm torch. And as Yomax alluded to, he could have still been cutting with a unit with a longer warranty...but the cost of boards to repair a Hypertherm with a shorter warranty, overshadow the design and service you offer. In fact, it's likely that the board for one HY 45 costs more than its worth to fix it, and possibly to buy a new Everlast with a full 5 year warranty. Time's a changin'....

 

[Furu]

I have no dog in the fight on plasma cutters but when I read Jim's post I looked at the thread title and thought WHAT? if you are going to advertise and that is what the post appeared to me to be, not just a correction, you should be an advertiser and according to the profile you are not. A correction is worded much differently than what you posted.

If you are an advertiser and supporter please have your profile updated so that us "peons in the reading masses" know who is and who is not. Leaves a bad taste to advertise or seem to advertise for free.

 

[Buckgnarly]

Anyone bitching about the thred title?.....try reading the OP'S first post.:laughing: Again, no one shall dare speak against the paid vendors on TBN I guess....:2cents:

 

[jimcolt]

Thanks Furu,

I edited my first post and took some of the stuff out with an attempt to make clear that I was trying to correct Marks incorrect statements. He apparently is a paid advertiser...so he can advertise as his first post clearly did.

I found this site a few years ago to discuss tractor and implement issues....great site. I just happen to work for Hypertherm, and have so for 36 years...so when I read incorrect statements about our products expect me to correct them!

Jim Colt

I have no dog in the fight on plasma cutters but when I read Jim's post I looked at the thread title and thought WHAT? if you are going to advertise and that is what the post appeared to me to be, not just a correction, you should be an advertiser and according to the profile you are not. A correction is worded much differently than what you posted.

If you are an advertiser and supporter please have your profile updated so that us "peons in the reading masses" know who is and who is not. Leaves a bad taste to advertise or seem to advertise for free.

 

[Mark @ Everlast]

As far as Tractors, equipment and agriculture in general Jim, I suppose I could teach you a lot. I've farmed thousands of acres of vegetables, managed multi million dollar farms, managed a tractor dealership, grew up in a family dealership, worked as a farm equipment rep for many well known companies, even turned down job offers for major farm equipment companies. I guided many start up dealeships to success. I've Cooperated with Kubota with on farm testing of their B series tractors and other products. I've owned, run, fixed, and help develop more tractors than you can dream about. I currently build in my spare time farm equipment for a few dealers, sawmills, and professional cookers/smokers and other equipment. Tomorrow's project is to finish of a motor cycle gas tank for a friend of mine who had a rusted tank and could not get another stock tank (unless he forked out 600.00). It was on the coast and got full of sea air. So I took it apart, and will weld it back together for him when it is finished at the sand blasters. Small project but aggravating, but for a friend, you do those kinds of things.

Regarding your correction of inaccurate statements, I never mentioned Hypertherm directly other than the unit in question itself. I said the PM30 cable was relatively stiff by comparison to the PP 50, and I stand by those words. That's not an innaccurate statement. I never said it was stiff as a board. You always, never fail to include, "employee ownership" which was not mentioned as part of any inaccurate statement. You also advertise free tours. What did that correct, Jim? In fact, I cannot see any real misstatement I made and none of your post corrects any one particular point that I addressed about Hypertherm specifically. Your post is/was a raw statement of advertising. You are starting to hurt yourself here, and your credibility. This is in fact almost a carbon copy of every post you've ever made on this forum about Hypertherm...Do you just cut and paste? In fact if it's not my statements you mean to correct, why are you attaching me to your comments? Who made a incorrect statement? All I see is fact or personal experience stated that needed no clarification or correction on your part. At this point, if I were you, my face would be crimson with embarrassment. In fact, you were so caught up in your arrogance that you assumed I was talking about Hypertherm when I said "we could debate...". No, in fact I was referring to Everlast. I think people see you as the face of Hypertherm, which many people feel is arrogant in itself, which might explain a few things.

I actually participate in the other parts of the forums about tractors and equipment when I have a chance, and can offer some knowledge or experience and became a member of this site back in 2001...but under a long forgotten name.

edit: YOU know full well that Everlast (and by default I am) an advertiser here. When you say "apparently" I am an advertiser, you know that, unless you are in the early stages of Alzheimer's. Why say it like you just discovered it? You've discussed this all before. Again...you are loosing credibility by the moment. Eastwood "Brick and Mortar"? HF might be but not for most...again credibility.

 

[jimcolt]

Maybe you should at least list your tractor experience on your signature line instead of just "Advertiser".

You, Mark are a real piece of work! I am not here to make desperate attempts to disparage you, your company or your name, and I would have a bit more respect for your if you could possibly do the same. Post about my companies product incorrectly and I will continue to correct it, as I have in other forums you participate in.

If you have an issue with tours of Hypertherm...maybe you should give me a call and I'll show you around...then you can get your facts correct. And yes, the tours are (of course) free......perhaps you charge for tours of your warehouse? Further, anyone that works for an employee owned company will naturally be proud, especially when it allows us to determine where the profits go...to processes such as continuous improvement, research and development, and fair pay for and benefits for its employees.

In regards to my "cut and paste" posts....if anyone wants to search posts by me you will find they are technically based informative posts. Here is a link to one where someone could not accurately answer a question from a poster about what is the difference between blowback and high frequency start. You will see my answer was of technical nature, and I did mention Hypertherm, the inventor of blowback start technology, copied by many. Link to post: I believe it is down a ways..post # 17 in the thread http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/welding/304538-plasma-cutter-2.html?highlight=plasma

I have published more than 75 technical metal cutting articles in dozens of worldwide trade publications, and am a frequent speaker/presenter at many metal fabricating trade organizations including AWS, SME, FMA and others.

I have no concerns for my credibility, thanks!

Jim colt

As far as Tractors, equipment and agriculture in general Jim, I suppose I could teach you a lot. I've farmed thousands of acres of vegetables, managed multi million dollar farms, managed a tractor dealership, grew up in a family dealership, worked as a farm equipment rep for many well known companies, even turned down job offers for major farm equipment companies. I guided many start up dealeships to success. I've Cooperated with Kubota with on farm testing of their B series tractors and other products. I've owned, run, fixed, and help develop more tractors than you can dream about. I currently build in my spare time farm equipment for a few dealers, sawmills, and professional cookers/smokers and other equipment. Tomorrow's project is to finish of a motor cycle gas tank for a friend of mine who had a rusted tank and could not get another stock tank (unless he forked out 600.00). It was on the coast and got full of sea air. So I took it apart, and will weld it back together for him when it is finished at the sand blasters. Small project but aggravating, but for a friend, you do those kinds of things.

Regarding your correction of inaccurate statements, I never mentioned Hypertherm directly other than the unit in question itself. I said the PM30 cable was relatively stiff by comparison to the PP 50, and I stand by those words. That's not an innaccurate statement. I never said it was stiff as a board. You always, never fail to include, "employee ownership" which was not mentioned as part of any inaccurate statement. You also advertise free tours. What did that correct, Jim? In fact, I cannot see any real misstatement I made and none of your post corrects any one particular point that I addressed about Hypertherm specifically. Your post is/was a raw statement of advertising. You are starting to hurt yourself here, and your credibility. This is in fact almost a carbon copy of every post you've ever made on this forum about Hypertherm...Do you just cut and paste? At this point, if I were you, my face would be crimson with embarrassment. In fact, you were so caught up in your arrogance that you assumed I was talking about Hypertherm when I said "we could debate...". No, in fact I was referring to Everlast. I think people see you as the face of Hypertherm, which many people feel is arrogant in itself, which might explain a few things.

I actually participate in the other parts of the forums about tractors and equipment when I have a chance, and can offer some knowledge or experience and became a member of this site back in 2001...but under a long forgotten name.

 

[Buckgnarly]

So I know there is a loyal everlast welder following here.


I'm interested in getting a plasma and have been doing some research for a while. It seems hypertherm is the gold standard. And have, until recently, had the price tag to match. But the powermax30 can now be had for under $1000.

The everlast power plasma 50 is 799 on amazon. It is more powerful but I don't really NEED the 50 amps.


Any love for the everlast plasma? Or spend the extra and get the hypertherm?

Just to clarify my last post, the OP was not just asking for one brand here......

 

[newbury]

<snip> He apparently is a paid advertiser...so he can advertise as his first post clearly did.
<snip>

"Apparently"?

apｷparｷent (-prnt, -p穩-)
adj.
1. Readily seen; visible.
2. Readily understood; clear or obvious.
3. Appearing as such but not necessarily so; seeming: an apparent advantage.

By your wording meaning #3 could be construed.

To me it seemed he was alerting us to a bang up deal, Amazon has since raised the price from about $700 to $980. I realize that in the world of Hypertherm welders rated to cut similar thickness material $280 is a small difference, about 10%, but in the world of $1,000 welders it's a 30% discount.

There are many of us on TBN that are here for the tractors and realize we either HAVE to weld or pay big $$ to get something hauled to a welder and welded. We appreciate Mark alerting us to deals on welders, it saves us $$ for implements.

 

[aginn]

Mark, being abrasive is not going to get any of your Everlast machines sold. At least not to me.
I fully expect a putdown for my remarks. So go ahead if you feel the need.

To me, I heard positive statements from you in an earlier part of this thread and was impressed. That all went away when you got threatened by the next guys comments. I saw nothing that would have sold me the other plasma cutter just because it is in his local area and he takes pride in what he sees them build. I don't have any problem with you showing what you think is good about Everlast as well. But taking personal potshots was a little overboard IMHO. Or at least that is the way it sounded to me.