Ford New Holland 1720 (and others) Rear Remote Valve

oldestgoat · Jan 22, 2023

I suspect that a kit may apply to many of the shibaura compact size tractors. I'd definitely be interested. Interesting that I think the kit cost $500 when I bought my TC33Da in 2004. I think new holland wants $1800 for it how. Wow! Just to confirm, I looked at how much a kit for one of their newer tractors cost, it was around $600. I can't imagine the rationale.

MTGreen · Jan 22, 2023

oldestgoat said:
I suspect that a kit may apply to many of the shibaura compact size tractors. I'd definitely be interested. Interesting that I think the kit cost $500 when I bought my TC33Da in 2004. I think new holland wants $1800 for it how. Wow! Just to confirm, I looked at how much a kit for one of their newer tractors cost, it was around $600. I can't imagine the rationale.

Although I agree there's a certain measure of gouging, I would assume that part of the cost difference is paying for the engineering and design. Reproducing something aftermarket from an existing design is always going to be cheaper than starting from scratch with r&d and testing.
Off topic but related: It's a similar scenario with a brand new drug costing on average several hundred million dollars to go from concept to FDA approval with all of the r&d trials and regulatory hoops designed to keep the population safe. That company has a limited time before patent expiration to recoup their initial investment plus make a profit for their shareholders. And yes just like tractor companies there's a certain amount of gouging that goes in to this some companies worse than others. The generic company that comes along later after patent expiration only has to duplicate the drug compound and show that their compound is identical to the original patented one.

I for one am very interested in those remote kits and I'm signing up for a dual kit

tedward4 · Jan 22, 2023

oldestgoat said:
I suspect that a kit may apply to many of the shibaura compact size tractors. I'd definitely be interested. Interesting that I think the kit cost $500 when I bought my TC33Da in 2004. I think new holland wants $1800 for it how. Wow! Just to confirm, I looked at how much a kit for one of their newer tractors cost, it was around $600. I can't imagine the rationale.

Yeah I think this should fit quite a few models. I looked up the cover plate (SBA344881130) and it looks to fit ~80 models. The handle location may be different, but the rest should fit fine. When I originally developed the adapter for the 1710 it was easy since I have the tractor to reference and test out on. It's a little trickier to develop the adapter without the tractor.

dieselscout80 · Jan 22, 2023

tedward4 said:
Yeah I think this should fit quite a few models. I looked up the cover plate (SBA344881130) and it looks to fit ~80 models. The handle location may be different, but the rest should fit fine. When I originally developed the adapter for the 1710 it was easy since I have the tractor to reference and test out on. It's a little trickier to develop the adapter without the tractor.

It shows that the TC45 uses SBA344881130.

COVER SBA344881130 - New.Holland | AVSpare.com

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Can you stack three valves on it?

tedward4 · Jan 24, 2023

dieselscout80 said:
It shows that the TC45 uses SBA344881130.

COVER SBA344881130 - New.Holland | AVSpare.com

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Can you stack three valves on it?

The sectional valve itself is designed to be stacked 1-10 units. Space will be the limiting factor on the tractor. The 1710 and 1720 comfortably fits 2, not sure about 3 or more before they run into the fender.

oldestgoat · Jan 27, 2023

what valve were you using for your kit? Also, is there a solenoid variant for that valve? Would simplify fabrication to just a 3way toggle switch mounted somewhere. Any thoughts? thanks.

tedward4 · Jan 28, 2023

oldestgoat said:
what valve were you using for your kit? Also, is there a solenoid variant for that valve? Would simplify fabrication to just a 3way toggle switch mounted somewhere. Any thoughts? thanks.

I use the Prince SV series valves. There is a solenoid version, but it adds about $350 to the cost of each valve. The other downside of the solenoid valves it that they aren't proportional, so flip the switch and it's full on. You'd lose the ability to feather the valve.

jonnyb278 · Feb 28, 2023

Looking for a rear remote kit for a Ford 2120. I know the handle might be different but I can make that work. Dont know if you ever got kits make for the 1720/1920's. If so can you send me message and price. jonnyb278 at yahoo dot com Thanks, Mike

tedward4 · Mar 5, 2023

UPDATE:
I've been working through a pretty large backlog on both CNC machines, and have a bunch of urgent engineering consulting/design to get done. But, I've made progress on the adapters and handles. I made a few updates to the adapter to make the oring installation easier, and also have a preliminary handle design (for the 1720 at least) based on SJ83's handles. The dual valve handles are a bit tricky, but I should have a good starting point. I did get the first updated adapter set machined last night and it looks good, so I'll be running ~10 more sets shortly.

tedward4 · Apr 10, 2023

I finally got a batch of adapters machined and the prototype 1720 handle set completed. I think the handles turned out nicely, just a matter of whether they fit correctly or not.

oldestgoat · Apr 14, 2023

Ok, How much do you want for the kit? Personally I don't really need it but I would want to support your efforts. Also, this kit could be adapted to many other models. If I get around to it, I got hold of a OEM valve and want to apply it to my TC33da. I also have a 1620 that would probably fit your kit precisely. Question. Is the valve pretty much a plug n play? My challenge (for the tc33da) is to make a lever and linkage to adapt to the valve I got. I also didn't buy their orings. I assume some standard orings would be fine as long as they are a good dimension to create a seal.

tedward4 · Apr 15, 2023

oldestgoat said:
Ok, How much do you want for the kit? Personally I don't really need it but I would want to support your efforts. Also, this kit could be adapted to many other models. If I get around to it, I got hold of a OEM valve and want to apply it to my TC33da. I also have a 1620 that would probably fit your kit precisely. Question. Is the valve pretty much a plug n play? My challenge (for the tc33da) is to make a lever and linkage to adapt to the valve I got. I also didn't buy their orings. I assume some standard orings would be fine as long as they are a good dimension to create a seal.

The kit with a single valve, adapters, orings, and handle is $500. The dual valve kit is $650. The kit isn't too hard to install, see the pic below.

The 4 orings closest to the tractor are 20.4mm OD x 2.4mm wide, a standard -114 oring is close and will work.

MTGreen · Apr 15, 2023

tedward4 said:
The kit with a single valve, adapters, orings, and handle is $500. The dual valve kit is $650. The kit isn't too hard to install, see the pic below.

The 4 orings closest to the tractor are 20.4mm OD x 2.4mm wide, a standard -114 oring is close and will work.

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Are they ready to order?

tedward4 · Apr 21, 2023

MTGreen said:
Are they ready to order?

Sorry for the delay. Yep, ready to order. But keep in mind that the handles may need to go through a revision before getting them to fit perfectly. Send me a PM if interested.

Patf10 · May 2, 2023

I currently have a loader installed on my tractor. It is plumbed in off the manifold bock below the brake pedals. Would your kit work along with that?

tedward4 · May 2, 2023

Patf10 said:
I currently have a loader installed on my tractor. It is plumbed in off the manifold bock below the brake pedals. Would your kit work along with that?

This block?

That's the diverter/relief block. If your loader is plumbed into that then the remote kit would work fine. The remote kit uses the hydraulic flow between that block and the 3pt system.

tedward4 · May 2, 2023

Actually, maybe I'm not right. Are you able to use both the loader and the 3pt at the same time, or do you have to turn the screw on the block like the manual hints at? Any 1720 owners know the answer?

MTGreen · May 2, 2023

tedward4 said:
Actually, maybe I'm not right. Are you able to use both the loader and the 3pt at the same time, or do you have to turn the screw on the block like the manual hints at? Any 1720 owners know the answer?

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The loader and 3pt can be used at the same time on mine and my loader is plumbed in to the block pictured in post 36

Patf10 · May 2, 2023

Mine both work as well. My 1720 has a bush hog brand loader on it. Ive been looking for remote options though so i can run some other implements.

Do you have any pics with your kit installed? Im curious how the levers will be

oldestgoat · May 2, 2023

tedward4 said:
This block?
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That's the diverter/relief block. If your loader is plumbed into that then the remote kit would work fine. The remote kit uses the hydraulic flow between that block and the 3pt syste

I assume the rear remote valve is a spring to center valve. loader works fine if remote valve is in center. You won't need to use both at the same time. That is if you are actuating the rear remote, you probably are not simultaneously activating the loader.