Front end goes out again!!!

[HarryVanderpool]

What is the load rating for the front axle (including bucket) for the tractor in question?
How much weight was being lifted?

 

[Sawyer Rob]

It's my uneducated belief that all tractors regardless of size category use factory equipped FELs that are capacity matched to the tractor. If that assumption is correct YOUR larger tractor is just as likely to suffer front axle failure when the FEL is used to it's capacity as the OP's much smaller CUT tractor. Am I missing something?

1. Loaders are NOT always matched to a particular tractor. Many times there's several loaders that will fit one model of tractor. There were at least three, that would fit my tractor, I chose the one that I wanted.

2. I DO agree on your second part... I've seen more than a few farm tractors with busted front ends. I myself shelled out a ring/pinion on a
farm tractor... Abuse the tractor with a loader and you WILL be fixing it! Thing is, a FARM tractor will take more abuse longer...

I had sold my dozer long before and was using my FARM loader tractor to clear some land, dig out some stumps and move them. The tractor took it for quite a while, but one day it had enough abuse and BANG!

I took it apart and with the ring/pinion in my hand, off to my FARM TRACTOR dealer I go. The owner was an older guy that been in business a LONG time and pretty much seen it all. He took a look at what I had in my hand and said "so you been using your tractor for a dozer, have you?". He nailed it, spot on and that was the day I started looking for another dozer!!

BTW, he got me the parts and I did all the labor, including setting up the new R/P, it ended up costing me a bit over one thousand dollars!

I DO NOT use my loader tractor for a dozer, I would NOT load the bucket full of rocks and drive any distance with them and when you see me post picts. like this,

You NEVER see me brag about how far I drove with it, because I don't do it!

SR

 

[sd455dan]

my 2 cents
as the OP said this is the 4th time a front axle failure has happened
Sounds like the small outer pinion gear may be undersized on this tractor
if all the failures were at the outer knuckle.

Weight in the bucket and lack of rear 3 point ballast is almost certainly a factor- But from the description of the failure, It sure sounds more like the torque rating of the actual gear pair is the root cause to me. possibly undersized for even a SCUT. Would be interesting to see exactly what parts are broken and a comparison to some other scut's same function parts.
Another thing- just hand loading a bucket to not over the hydraulics factory lifting ability and transporting is not what would appear to be abuse.
It is also possible I misread or understood post 1's description pictures might help.

 

[4570Man]

1. Loaders are NOT always matched to a particular tractor. Many times there's several loaders that will fit one model of tractor. There were at least three, that would fit my tractor, I chose the one that I wanted.

2. I DO agree on your second part... I've seen more than a few farm tractors with busted front ends. I myself shelled out a ring/pinion on a
farm tractor... Abuse the tractor with a loader and you WILL be fixing it! Thing is, a FARM tractor will take more abuse longer...

I had sold my dozer long before and was using my FARM loader tractor to clear some land, dig out some stumps and move them. The tractor took it for quite a while, but one day it had enough abuse and BANG!

I took it apart and with the ring/pinion in my hand, off to my FARM TRACTOR dealer I go. The owner was an older guy that been in business a LONG time and pretty much seen it all. He took a look at what I had in my hand and said "so you been using your tractor for a dozer, have you?". He nailed it, spot on and that was the day I started looking for another dozer!!

BTW, he got me the parts and I did all the labor, including setting up the new R/P, it ended up costing me a bit over one thousand dollars!

I DO NOT use my loader tractor for a dozer, I would NOT load the bucket full of rocks and drive any distance with them and when you see me post picts. like this,

You NEVER see me brag about how far I drove with it, because I don't do it!

SR

Based on my experience a bucket of hand tossed rocks weighs than a bucket of wet dirt and definitely less than gravel. If I need to haul a load any distance I’m going to use my dump truck. If I’m got a lot to do I’m going to use the CTL but that’s not always an option. Any tractor that can’t stand up to using the loader that the engineers built for it is junk. Tractors aren’t dozers or excavators or industrial machines. Using them as such is likely going to break them. I think we can a agree that using the right tools for the job is the best.

 

[Phillip w]

I will say my father has a john deere 4100. He has had very minimal trouble out of his tractor. A fuel solinoid ans a couple of flat tire. He works that little tractor like a dog. The capacities of his little tractor are less than my mf 1531. His tractor "runs rings" around my tractor in nearly every catagory. The is also a fellow on here with a 1528 mf and he appears to be having trouble with his front axle. I'm convinced that it is a very poor design. With this particular design, there must be a miscaculation of muching the loader to the tractor by the engineers or something. The only other thing is the dealer mechanics are not setting it up right when they are rebuilding it. For what it is worth, i hate a piece of equipment that you have to baby all the tine like it is on its last leg. I also found a local fellow who owned a 1531. His front axle shelled. He had it repaired and then sold the tractor. I wish now i would have done what he did.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Can't bale with an L series? Lol

 

[dnw64]

Can't bale with an L series? Lol

That is not what was stated.

...Kubota didn't warr. it because THEY said he should have bought an "M" series, the "L's" weren't made for baling hay.

I say that you can bale with 1 ManPower and a Piece of String.Then again, if those are your resources maybe you should consider alternative storage methods.

 

[Oldpath05]

You have a Kubota, so let's use that brand for an example.

Why do you think Kubota makes a "M" series?? I mean they have "L's" with just as much hp as the small "M's"...SR

Marketing gimmick so they can sell more tractors, now I'll go back to my safe place after I get done using my tractor for skiddah, balling hey and booldozing.............

 

[HarryVanderpool]

What is the load rating for the front axle (including bucket) for the tractor in question?
How much weight was being lifted?

 

[Oldoak]

Tractors aren’t dozers or excavators or industrial machines. Using them as such is likely going to break them. I think we can a agree that using the right tools for the job is the best.

:thumbsup:

And that would apply to any size tractor from SCUTs to large commercial farm tractors. The only difference is the amount of force it takes to break them.