Gear drive vs hydro

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OK Didn't see the others or was not as effected by.

No. 2 would not fall under the term "poignant " for me

I suppose no 3 may in terms of what the rider has just experienced in exasperation of her mount so I guess they're may be mental appeal for some.

But the juxtaposition of rider and horse in no 1. has much mental appeal for me for 3 reasons. A. The composition of this shot is superior. It uses the classical "S" type compositional placement. B. The dynamic tension created by the girl looking one way and the horse another adds to the emotional impact of the imagery. This line is so well connected and that the chances of this connection are so absolutely fleeting in photography it becomes moving that it was captured at all. ( I really wish one could see more of the riders face) 3. My own daughters evented for 15 years and everybody lived so there is the mental attachment there as well for me in regard to trucking my kids up and down the east coast for 10 of those years and witnessing their rides in dressage, stadium and cross country.

 

[N80]

george, you gonna get poignant up on wikapedea or do we all have 2 bash heads when we all get there @the same time..?

sounds like an odor

Jake, how in the heck can you manage to spell poignant right and Wikipedia wrong? I think I have discovered a few clues.

I think you do it to disguise who you really are. Why do I think this? Why would I accuse you of being a fraud?

Well, the definition of poignant is: evoking a keen sense of sadness or regret and comes from the Latin root pungere' which means to prick. So something poignant pricks the senses. And in that regard, an older, archaic use for the word poignant was SHARP OR PUNGENT SMELL.

But why am I telling YOU this? I'm quite certain you knew it all along and that your constant malapropisms, improper spelling, atrocious syntax, and virtually nonexistent punctuation are a cover up. You're just trying to be one of the guys....and yet you are not! You are actually an etymologically sophisticated and cunning linguist....like me!

Touche'

 

[jk96]

That's all there is to it right? Or is that too many 'propers' and 'properlys' for you? If so, are you asking which type will handle abuse better? Which type will handle more load than it is built to handle? Which will last longer under extreme conditions? I don't think anyone knows.

No - just asking out of curiosity since any time anyone mentions doing any type of ground engaging work the concensous is to stay away from the hydro and buy a gear. So I assumed that there was a lot of evidence/experience showing that all other things being equal, a gear would outlast or outperform a hydro for this type of work. Seems that the real reason is that you can get more hp for the money or the horsepower needed for less which I can't argue with.

 

[N80]

But the juxtaposition of rider and horse in no 1. has much mental appeal for me for 3 reasons. A. The composition of this shot is superior. It uses the classical "S" type compositional placement. B. The dynamic tension created by the girl looking one way and the horse another adds to the emotional impact of the imagery. This line is so well connected and that the chances of this connection are so absolutely fleeting in photography it becomes moving that it was captured at all. ( I really wish one could see more of the riders face)

Excellent critique and thanks again. I am not a natural at photography and I do not easily recognize good composition as it presents itself. I try to make up for lack of natural talent with good technique and good equipment and that helps. What really helps is a fast, high resolution digital camera and some talent at recognizing decent composition after the fact. In other words, fast 200mm lens, fast digital camera, lots of images, recognizing the keepers (very few) and the trash (very, very many).

And that gallery is pretty old and no longer tended to. So much of what is in there, would end up in the trash today.

My own daughters evented for 15 years and everybody lived so there is the mental attachment there as well for me in regard to trucking my kids up and down the east coast for 10 of those years and witnessing their rides in dressage, stadium and cross country.

My daughter has quit jumping (horse problems) and is now primarily doing dressage, which I find boring. But I support her. And to turn this hijack back to the original topic...boy, do I support her. I could say that if I wasn't wasting money on horses I could have easily purchased an Grand L 5740HST with all the bells and whistles and would probably be arguing as irrationally as the rest of the HST crowd that it could walk on water.

But probably not, it would be an M7040. Gear.

 

[john_bud]

Why is that so hard to understand? Or more to the heart of the matter, why is it so hard to admit?

George,

Go back and read my posts. Just the last line of the first few - before I intellectually gave up.

You will see what I posted and how I feel about various transmissions.


On the other hand, you and some others have rose colored glasses for only one type of transmission. Then add in its not about the transmission, it's about the size of the tractor for the same $. But not real cheap tractor. Only one specific example where a stripped model is being compared to a luxury model. Fine.

 

[N80]

No - just asking out of curiosity since any time anyone mentions doing any type of ground engaging work the concensous is to stay away from the hydro and buy a gear. So I assumed that there was a lot of evidence/experience showing that all other things being equal, a gear would outlast or outperform a hydro for this type of work. Seems that the real reason is that you can get more hp for the money or the horsepower needed for less which I can't argue with.

That about sums it up for me. And, that if you are a Zen Clutch Master, Order of the Stick, you can get a fair amount of work out of a crummy old beggars-can't-be-choosers gear grinder. And that at the end of the day your left knee will hurt.

 

[jk96]

And, that if you are a Zen Clutch Master, Order of the Stick, you can get a fair amount of work out of a crummy old beggars-can't-be-choosers gear grinder.

I cannot argue with that either, however I will never be a "Zen Clutch Master" since I am too lazy, hence the hydro

 

[jake98]

What? That's it?

Help Wanted: New George needed for Circular Conversational Work in a sophisticated no-pay environment. Duties include:

 

[N80]

Go back and read my posts. Just the last line of the first few - before I intellectually gave up.

Nah. No need to re-read. You or me. We can't agree. We can't even agree to disagree (never really understood that phrase anyway). But, we can both give up or give out and that's probably just fine.

No minds have been changed despite incontrovertible, rock solid, indisputable evidence from both sides. Insults have been exchanged. People's sexuality and proficiency with the English language have been questioned. And the horse was dead before the first blow was dealt. And yet I've learned a ton of stuff in this thread. I've also had some great laughs. I've been forced to do a little research. I've learned a lot about a lot of TBN regulars who all seem to be good folks (seriously, imagine this whole long conversation amongst friends over a few beers. It would just sound like a bunch of decent guys shooting the bull.) So I wouldn't call it a total loss. And since I currently have absolutely no choice what kind of tractor I use, I'm going to keep trying to convince myself that its a good, capable machine, even if everyone else knows for a fact that it is not.

Time for bed.

 

[jk96]

Only took me and George 27 pages to finally agree on something