Geared trannys-more low end torque than hydro ?

slowzuki · Sep 9, 2004

Now you guys know better than this. The only thing preventing a hydro from roll starting is the safety interlocks, push the go pedal down and the clutch, put it in high range, let er roll and pop the clutch. It isn't an automatic, there isn't a torque convertor or brake bands on the gears.

To be fair, you don't drag a brand new powershift tractor around the yard to get it started, you boost it.

And you can move a hydro with the key if you disable some safeties, just the same as you have to do with a gear tractor. Even the 1960's Ford 3000 a neighbour has won't crank unless it is in neutral on the range selector.

I have all gear tractors but have gotten to operate a hydro a bit. Even if you hate the tech or the simplicity of them, they really do a lot of stuff easier. If you work on hills and are on and off the tractor alot it is so sweet not having to turn the darn thing on and off all the time. Trying to be smooth delivering shingles up a hill to the roof of a house, no jerking and trying to get close enough, just put it where you want.

( ( They are also a bit difficult to pull/roll start )

Great point.. ever try to pull start a car with an auto tranny?

another thing that comes to mind is emergency movement. I'm sure many of us farm types have at one time or another used the starter, with the tractor in gear, to get off railroad tracks, or to nudge the tractor forward in the barn.. or to drive an otherwise non running tractor up on a trailer.

Soundguy )

Soundguy · Sep 9, 2004

( Oh and by the way I forgot to mention my dislike of electronic controls on tractors, again for reliability and long life. Wait about 15 years and try to get electronic modules for your electronic tractor )

Yep... reminds me of my old jd-b... it's a magnetor driven tractor. i can roll it down a hill to start it.. and if the genny dies.. I can still get home.. just no headlights.. etc.

Soundguy

Soundguy · Sep 9, 2004

( Now you guys know better than this. The only thing preventing a hydro from roll starting is the safety interlocks, push the go pedal down and the clutch, put it in high range, let er roll and pop the clutch. It isn't an automatic, there isn't a torque convertor or brake bands on the gears.
)

To be fair.. I did specify auto trans automobile..a s I've never tried to roll start a hydro tractor.

( Now you guys know better than this. The only thing preventing a hydro from roll starting is the safety interlocks, push the go pedal down and the clutch, put it in high range, let er roll and pop the clutch. It isn't an automatic, there isn't a torque convertor or brake bands on the gears.
)

You are making a big assumption that your tractor breaks down in your garage, near all your modern tools and spare battery/booster/cables... and not 10 miles from your house on a hillside.. etc. If I were at my house.. sure.. I'd jump the battery... if I wasn't at home.. Id get a push or roll.. or whatever i HAD to do to get it started.

( And you can move a hydro with the key if you disable some safeties, just the same as you have to do with a gear tractor )
Again.. you assume all gear tractors have neutral saftey switches ( like the fords.. )

On a ford.. all you need to do is bypass the big thumb interlocked starter button. On many old IH tractors there are NO safties whatso ever.. and the starter is more than capable of starting the tractor in gear, with pto and mower engaged..

Soundguy

_RaT_ · Sep 9, 2004

Gee Chris, so many advantages, almost makes me want to get rid of my new deluxe tractor and just keep my old International 454D. Why did I ever buy that new fangled contraption?

rambler · Sep 9, 2004

( Now I know why you came up with your name. You do ramble a lot /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

I wasn't going to comment on this thread any more - said my piece, but you got me...... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

The other 2 parts of the nick name are that I used to work with computers a lot (ram) and that my first car was a '68 American Rambler. With the 4 speed manual of course - 4th was an automatic overdrive, the 1st 3 gears were shift, and it was free wheeling. Yea, I liked that. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

--->Paul

slowzuki · Sep 9, 2004

Soundguy, I realized I didn't use any /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif's in my msg so I just want you to know I ain't too serious about this.

But, I really don't think you can buy a new gear tractor without interlocks? Maybe a Mahindra or something? Companies don't like getting sued I guess /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif At least they are easy to beat.

The internationals I use also now have no interlocks, comes in handy to crank the pto over while keeping the fuel shut off when working on haybines etc.

I don't like interlocks too much, but they will be a part of litigation happy north america for a long time to come.

BillyP · Sep 9, 2004

I wasn't going to comment on this thread any more - said my piece, but you got me...... 

Paul, I'm glad you took my post as intended /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Soundguy · Sep 10, 2004

( But, I really don't think you can buy a new gear tractor without interlocks )

I didn't say you could buy a new tractor with no interlocks. I said there are many gear tractors without interlocks.. then I used IH as an example.

Soundguy /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Soundguy · Sep 10, 2004

( Gee Chris, so many advantages, almost makes me want to get rid of my new deluxe tractor and just keep my old International 454D. Why did I ever buy that new fangled contraption?
)

I'm still trying to figure out the purpose of this post... /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Soundguy

_RaT_ · Sep 10, 2004

As I yours! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Welllll, these advantages of course /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

"You are making a big assumption that your tractor breaks down in your garage, near all your modern tools and spare battery/booster/cables... and not 10 miles from your house on a hillside.. etc. If I were at my house.. sure.. I'd jump the battery... if I wasn't at home.. Id get a push or roll.. or whatever i HAD to do to get it started."

"That's my biggest issue with an HST tractor. Longevity"

"I'm not knocking hst tractors... I just don't like the idea of looming repairs on the horizion.. "

"I can't imagine rebuilding an hst tranny while it is swinging from a tree."

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