Grapples- horizontal tine vs. "grapple rake" vertical tine

[txdon]

who makes a 48" Rake style?

Anbo does.
http://www.anbomanufacturing.com/Literature/RockRootTreeGrapples2012.pdf

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

Anbo makes really good stuff, but it is very pricey.

 

[Andy FitzGibbon]

who makes a 48" Rake style?

W. R. Long and Quick Attach also do, and they are also pricey when compared to others. I am not stuck on a 48", but all the 60" rake style units I've found are pretty heavy (600 plus lbs.)

Andy

 

[TomSeller]

Anbo does.
http://www.anbomanufacturing.com/Literature/RockRootTreeGrapples2012.pdf

I had not looked at Anbo for a few years due to price so I did not know that. Maybe that has changed. They do have the longer lower teeth I wish more Rake styles had. With the thinner tines this is more possible with stronger steel.

 

[txdon]

Here's another TomSeller.
Grapple Rakes | Faver
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAP...3429&item=271325683429&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466

Quote from second web site - ebay: $2,150 (same price on Faver web site)
FAVER MODEL 526-SCX
SEVERE DUTY GRAPPLE ROOT RAKE BUCKET FOR LOADERS SUPPORTING THE UNIVERSAL STEER QUICK ATTACH MOUNT.
52" Raking Width, 42" Opening
Rake and claw tines are cut from 180,000 psi tensile steel, much stronger and wear resistant than T-1 steel and the rake tines are a full 1" thick.
Extreme strength eliminates the need for bracing at tine ends leaving them open to lose dirt while raking.
Main cross beam utilizes a 4" x 4" x 3/8" wall square tube, much heavier than the industry norm.
Maximum clamping performance is provided first by a 3000 p.s.i. cylinder boasting a 3" bore x 8" stroke.
Bending under severe loads is prevented with a 1.5" diameter cylinder rod.
Cylinder rod is aimed directly into claw cross tube giving maximum strength and providing ultimate support for even the toughest abuse.
Cylinder is then covered with solid clamp style covers, cut from 3/8" solid plate and built to endure severe pounding.
Grapple claw clamps down extremely hard in all positions.
Performance is further maximized through our quick attach mount being built directly into the main frame of the brush rake, preventing distortion under abuse.
Rakes forward and in reverse.
From the ground up, Faver grapple rakes are built to give ultimate performance in highly abusive applications.
Some pictures may show the optional 3" longer rake tines, this listing is for the standard model.
3" longer rake tines may be purchased for an extra $150.00.
Can be ordered without the skid steer quick attach mount for easy adaption to other loaders.

 

[Xfaxman]

Hi all,

I am shopping for a grapple. Trying to keep it as light, to preserve as much loader lift capacity as possible. The LA723 is good for around 1800 lbs.

At first I was looking at the vertical tine "grapple rake" style, like this: Mini Skid Steer Grapple for Bobcat MT Toro Dingo ASV Polaris RC30 Vermeer Boxer | eBay

However, there aren't many smaller choices in that style, and they are a little more than what I want to spend. I will be using this for light work- moving brush, and picking up logs- so I don't need a super heavy-duty unit. I have other equipment (a dozer) available for stump/root grubbing.

So, I'd be interested in hearing opinions on the vertical tine style vs. the horizontal tine style, like this one: Everything Attachments Compact Utility Root Grapple 50"

One thing that attracted me to the vertical style is that it can be closed down tighter than most of the horizontals, which would be handy for pinching single logs while cutting them with the chainsaw.

Thanks,
Andy

Have you looked at this new vertical style from EA? Everything Attachments Tractor Root Rake Grapple



And the Rake Shop: www.TheRakeShop.com / Root Rakes Grapples Attachments & Skid Steers

 

[TomSeller]

Here's another TomSeller.
Grapple Rakes | Faver
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=271325683429&item=271325683429&lgeo=1&vectorid=229466

Quote from second web site - ebay: $2,150 (same price on Faver web site)
FAVER MODEL 526-SCX
.

The Faver grapples are very nice but most people would consider them an L bottom style rather than Rake style

 

[Ken45101]

W. R. Long and Quick Attach also do, and they are also pricey when compared to others. I am not stuck on a 48", but all the 60" rake style units I've found are pretty heavy (600 plus lbs.)

Andy

There is a good reason for that weight. If most 60" units are 600"+ pounds, you really want to avoid one that is lighter than that. There are a lot of forces out there and if the unit is lightweight, it get bent up pretty quickly.

 

[Andy FitzGibbon]

There is a good reason for that weight. If most 60" units are 600"+ pounds, you really want to avoid one that is lighter than that. There are a lot of forces out there and if the unit is lightweight, it get bent up pretty quickly.

That is totally correct, when the grapple is being used for its designed/intended purpose, ie. heavy grubbing of roots and stumps on the front of a large tractor or skid steer. That's not what I am planning to use it for, and my tractor is not big or heavy enough to do much damage to an attachment before the tires slip or the loader runs out of hydraulics anyway.

EA's 60"Wicked L-style grapple with two lids is only 382 lbs. I would be set if someone made an equivalent-weight model in the rake style, but they seem to be nonexistent, most likely because they are all designed for a lot heavier work than I would be subjecting one to. The 48" rake styles that are available (not many) are comparable in weight, but are all a little more money than what I am hoping to spend- again, because they are engineered for heavier work than what I will be putting them through.

 

[Andy FitzGibbon]

Have you looked at this new vertical style from EA? Everything Attachments Tractor Root Rake Grapple

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And the Rake Shop: www.TheRakeShop.com / Root Rakes Grapples Attachments & Skid Steers
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I have been meaning to call EA and find out the weight of the 60" vertical. Hadn't seen the Rake Shop ones before, so I need to do the same with them. Thanks.

 

[Ken45101]

That is totally correct, when the grapple is being used for its designed/intended purpose, ie. heavy grubbing of roots and stumps on the front of a large tractor or skid steer. That's not what I am planning to use it for, and my tractor is not big or heavy enough to do much damage to an attachment before the tires slip or the loader runs out of hydraulics anyway.

I think the damage will most likely come when grabbing irregular shapes, such as a tree that tapers down or a root ball. Believe me, nothing is in nice regular shapes like they show in the sales pictures!

I suspect that the reason you see all of them with similar weights is because that's the minimum for it it hold up at all.

 

[txdon]

Have you looked at this new vertical style from EA? Everything Attachments Tractor Root Rake Grapple

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Does EA make that grapple with the tines a bit closer? Watching their video I like the way they added little things to improve it? Would a wire mesh on the back side be an option that they do also?

 

[dex3361]

I have an Anbo 60" that I bought used and it is light weight but strong. I think it weighs 360# (from the Anbo brochure) so it is well suited for CUT sized machines.

 

[EverythingAttachments]

I have been meaning to call EA and find out the weight of the 60" vertical. Hadn't seen the Rake Shop ones before, so I need to do the same with them. Thanks.

Andy, our 60" grapple rake weighs approx. 420 pounds and the 72" is 460.
Travis

 

[k0ua]

It sure looks like EA has put a lot of thought and engineering into this new rake style grapple. If I was looking for a rake style, it would be high on my list. I can tell you from personal experience that they are good to deal with.

James K0UA

 

[TomSeller]

I would be set if someone made an equivalent-weight model in the rake style, but they seem to be nonexistent, most likely because they are all designed for a lot heavier work than I would be subjecting one to. The 48" rake styles that are available (not many) are comparable in weight, but are all a little more money than what I am hoping to spend- again, because they are engineered for heavier work than what.

I did not know this until it was posted in this thread, but WR Long now has a Rake style down to 48" and 325 lbs. Note that the 38" is not for standard SSQA.

http://www.wrlonginc.com/rbg.htm

http://www.everythingattachments.com/product-p/wrl-rbg.htm

Note that the 2 means single lid.

 

[Poopdeck Pappy]

But at almost $2,500, that's a lot of $$ per pound or per inch.

 

[Deerherd]

Note that the 2 means single lid.

Actually the 2 denotes a 48" jaw opening. The rest are 70" openings. A "D" at the end of the model number denotes a dual lid.

 

[Andy FitzGibbon]

Andy, our 60" grapple rake weighs approx. 420 pounds and the 72" is 460.
Travis

Thanks. I like how the lower tines on yours stick out farther than some.

 

[Redbug]

I have had a WrLong RBG-2 60" for a number of years. I got in in the 60" wide size so it would be the width of my front tires. That's helpful when pushing out an area of debris. It's the perfect size for what I need to do. It works great!