Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales?

   / Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales? #221  
Perhaps Mahindra being on top today will be short lived.

Is there anyone who does not think a China owned company will not be producing the most farm tractors at some point in time?
 
   / Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales? #222  
I quizzed the telemarketer fella this evening about it. From his accent I could tell he was an Indian. He had a list of questions for me so we made a deal,he had to answer some of mine first. "I do not know of this Mahindra" "Yes I am in India". Then I asked him if he was near any farming areas. Why yes he was. Well then are the tractors red? "yes dey arrre rred" So who knows. Thought it was funny and I enjoyed messing with him. So just passing this along so everyone else can do their own "research" with the telemarketers.
 
   / Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales? #223  
Neil,
I'm not buying that answer. You insisted on numbers, so obviously you felt it would advance the conversaion at that time. So I dug them up.

It's only fair that you obtain and post yours. To do otherwise is a little like losing the race, then saying "I wasn't racing". :D

you do understand my hesitation to speculate right? We know what Mahindra exports because its in their annual report. The only info on Kubota here is speculation. If I had to speculate... it would go like this.. there are about 1100 kubota dealers, an average dealer probably does around 80 tractor units/year (not counting RTV's, turf, etc), so there is 89,000 tractors... already several magnitude more than Mahindra's press release... but in my mind has to be a far cry from CNH, Agco, Deere, etc.
 
   / Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales?
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#224  
For what it is worth, we have a Kubota dealer that will be lucky to sell 15 units per year. Ken Sweet
 
   / Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales? #225  
Just curious.....
What does all this quarreling accomplish?

They are all corporations and they are going to put forth the information that advances their own agenda anyway.

Everyone has their opinion of each tractor manufacturer and that is fine, but are you really going to change anyones mind over the bickering?
 
   / Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales? #226  
Just curious.....
What does all this quarreling accomplish?

They are all corporations and they are going to put forth the information that advances their own agenda anyway.

Everyone has their opinion of each tractor manufacturer and that is fine, but are you really going to change anyones mind over the bickering?

Since the Chevy/Ford bickering has ended a new subject was needed to bicker about. :D
 
   / Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales? #227  
you do understand my hesitation to speculate right? We know what Mahindra exports because its in their annual report. The only info on Kubota here is speculation. If I had to speculate... it would go like this.. there are about 1100 kubota dealers, an average dealer probably does around 80 tractor units/year (not counting RTV's, turf, etc), so there is 89,000 tractors... already several magnitude more than Mahindra's press release... but in my mind has to be a far cry from CNH, Agco, Deere, etc.

The Kubota dealers in our area average nowhere near 80 units a year each.

OK, I'll provide some more numbers for you since you are reluctant. You say your numbers would be speculative. I say you know them and they do not support your argument. Remember, you asked for numbers. You would not have insisted so intently if you did not have your numbers. It just doesn't make sense.

In the USA, the total amount of tractors sold in 2009, all brands and all HP, everything reported to AEM, was 150,957. Kubota has market share info nationally for their brand, so take that percentage and multiply. It will be a huge chunk of the market. Kubota has done a fantastic job building a good tractor and marketing it well.

The USA is not the largest tractor market. Mahindra sold 165,633 tractors just in India last year, which represented a little over 41% of the total market. That means the total market in India in 2009 was over 400k units, more than 2.5 times the USA total market.

So Mahindra globally sold more tractors last year than all the new tractors sold in the USA combined. The point being, they are not an upstart "wanna' be" tractor company that is decaling a few tractors here and there.

These are just facts, and can be interpreted in many ways. Clearly Mahindra lags way behind the Big 3 in the USA. It is their huge home market that gives them such volume. Mahindra has been in the USA for a couple of decades and is only slowly gaining market share. Likewise JD has been in India for a couple of decades and is only slowly carving out market share.

As a USA dealer for Mahindra, I surely wish we had JD or Kubota market share, but that takes time, a lot of time. High volume successful dealers do not just happen overnight. The dealer network for Mahindra is still very much growing. The Big three have mature dealers, some with decades of experience. And they know the USA market. Mahindra has shown that it has learned or is learning the USA market as well. Look at the new products, they are world class. In September 2010 many more new models will roll out.
 
   / Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales? #228  
I will take a Deere and 15 Trident Subs with 24 D4s each to trump all those Mahindra tractors. Number 1 in the US counts the most to me! LOL!
 
   / Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales? #229  
I find it interesting how no one here is willing to debate this on the numbers. All you guys will do is the same thing as Mahindra does... continual chest beating without any attempt to back your statements. "JohnDeere3370" found a statement about selling 85,000 units anually." I can find all kinds of stuff in the annaul report that shows just a tad more than that... but NO WHERE does there seem to be a number big enough that comes close to confirming this statement. I'm looking... is anyone else?

Messick, I found it interesting that once the numbers are shown, you are not willing to debate this as you have mentioned above. You taunted and mocked for numbers, now you don't care.

I'll get off my soapbox now, I think I have made my point and I'm even tiring of it! :D I'm more than willing to drop this, but I just ask that you (Neil at Messicks) quit jabbing at Mahindra every chance you get. You will note that I do not speak negative about Kubota.

And for all you JD guys, I've had a nice model D, G, MT and a 40. All older than me, one nearly 70 years old and it ran great still. They were american made and built to be used by generations. Great machines, and I'll probably buy another one someday. I'd like a "R", what a beast.
 
   / Has Mahindra Passed Deere in sales? #230  
Bravo, Dave. I think that Neil must have decided to take his ball and go home!

You really spoil things if you start talking about facts. Like Homer Simpson said: "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"

Thank you, Dave, for shedding some light on the subject.
 

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