Highest selling Kubota in USA?

[Larry The Tractor Guy]

If this is true, they why doesn't "Farm King" or "Ching Chong Tractor Company International" sell a staggering amount of tractors?

The simple reason that Kubota kicks the crap out of all the other tractor companies is simply because they "deliver more value". By and large (obviously local factors influence this) they offer top notch quality, stand behind their product, offer every feature that anyone else does, and do it at a price thats substantialy less than NH and Deere - and only marginly more than the 3rd tier brands. Personaly, I don't see this changing any time soon. Given that Kubota's new products continualy sell really, really well I can only see their market share growing in the consumer, commercial and industrial spaces. Small companies can't compete with the level of engineering and sales volumes, big companies can't do it simply because they are too fat and stuck in business model from 40 years ago.

Just a minute there!....I NEVER once questioned or mentioned the QUALITY of the Kubota tractor or it value versus price comparison. I simply stated they are cheaper then NH, and well, they are. But since you took the time to bash my posting and bring it up, lets look for moment at some the key differences that make them cheaper:

For Kubota Sub Compacts compared to NH:
Kubota BX2350 has:
No sensitrack
To access routine service points, four bolts must be removed and the headlights must be unplugged
Mower height adjustment is located on the floor
No toolbox
Treadle pedal is uncomfortable to operate
Hood design provides limited visibility
ROPS is not pre-drilled for worklights or tool carrier
Slow maximum forward speed of 8.4 mph
Small fuel tank capacity of 6.6 gallons

For Kubota Class 1 compared to NH:
Kubota B7510/ 7610 has:
Integral power steering is a cheaper less reponsive alternative to true hydrostsic power steering
6x2 gear transmission
Have to remove 3 panels to access routine service points
Hood raises on a prop rod
both 3 point lift capacity and loader lift capacity fall way short of NH
only 2 head lights
Much lighter weight tractor
weak electrical power
platform is not finished off under the seat
steering cylinder and tie rods located in front of axle exposed to damage

For Kubota Class 2 compared to NH:
Kubota B2630/ 3030 has:
Poor driveline effecientcy means less PTO HP to get the job done
Only 9.1 gpm hydraulic flow
Fabricated steel trumpet housings contribute to a much lighter tractor
Seat does not swivel
Steering wheel does not telescope
Square hood design severly diminishes visibilty
Side panels have to be removed for routine service items
pre-screen radiator is a cheaper design, requires more maint and is a cheaper alternative to NH automotive flow-through style radiators
Weak electrical power
No supersteer with sensitrak option

For Kubota Class 3 compared to NH:
Kubota L3830/ 4330/ 4630 has:
Poor driveline effecientcy means less PTO HP to get the job done
Treadle pedal is uncomfortable to operate
Hood design provides poor visbility...do the blind spot test
No two speed, power shiftable hydrosatic transmission option
4 panels have to be opened to access routine service points
hood rasies on a prop rod
no telescopic steering column
seat does not swivel
Steering cylinders located in front of axle exposed to damage
no supersteer option
boxy styling hood

For Kubota Class 4 compared to NH:
Kubota L5030 has:
PTO horsepower falls well short of the NH TC55DA
No electro-hydraulic shuttle option
Almost 500 lbs less lift capacity at the 3 point
Very poor visibility
Less front end loader lift capacity
Limited access to engine with side panels removed
Steering cylinders located in front of axle exposed to damage
Joystick mounted to loader mast is uncomfortable to operate
Dry traction clutch
No telescoping steering wheel

Should I continue? It wasnt my intention to go there and I understand that the forum is not for that purpose but I felt I needed to defend myself and my posting. All the things I listed contribute to be able to produce a cheaper tractor. No cheaper in quality, cheaper to BUILD and therefore cheaper to sell to the general public. I was only trying to point out the obvious that a tractor is a tractor, some better than others, and if a buyer feels they are getting a good value for the money they are investing, then it is THEIR choice what to buy. If they like the Kubota then great, if they like the NH, then great for us. Your not going to please everybody all the time. I am just glad that I represent one of the best tractors made in the USA!

Regards,
Larry

 

[_RaT_]

Just a minute there!....I NEVER once questioned or mentioned the QUALITY of the Kubota tractor or it value versus price comparison. I simply stated they are cheaper then NH, and well, they are. But since you took the time to bash my posting and bring it up, lets look for moment at some the key differences that make them cheaper:

For Kubota Sub Compacts compared to NH:
Kubota BX2350 has:
No sensitrack
To access routine service points, four bolts must be removed and the headlights must be unplugged
Mower height adjustment is located on the floor
No toolbox
Treadle pedal is uncomfortable to operate
Hood design provides limited visibility
ROPS is not pre-drilled for worklights or tool carrier
Slow maximum forward speed of 8.4 mph
Small fuel tank capacity of 6.6 gallons

For Kubota Class 1 compared to NH:
Kubota B7510/ 7610 has:
Integral power steering is a cheaper less reponsive alternative to true hydrostsic power steering
6x2 gear transmission
Have to remove 3 panels to access routine service points
Hood raises on a prop rod
both 3 point lift capacity and loader lift capacity fall way short of NH
only 2 head lights
Much lighter weight tractor
weak electrical power
platform is not finished off under the seat
steering cylinder and tie rods located in front of axle exposed to damage

For Kubota Class 2 compared to NH:
Kubota B2630/ 3030 has:
Poor driveline effecientcy means less PTO HP to get the job done
Only 9.1 gpm hydraulic flow
Fabricated steel trumpet housings contribute to a much lighter tractor
Seat does not swivel
Steering wheel does not telescope
Square hood design severly diminishes visibilty
Side panels have to be removed for routine service items
pre-screen radiator is a cheaper design, requires more maint and is a cheaper alternative to NH automotive flow-through style radiators
Weak electrical power
No supersteer with sensitrak option

For Kubota Class 3 compared to NH:
Kubota L3830/ 4330/ 4630 has:
Poor driveline effecientcy means less PTO HP to get the job done
Treadle pedal is uncomfortable to operate
Hood design provides poor visbility...do the blind spot test
No two speed, power shiftable hydrosatic transmission option
4 panels have to be opened to access routine service points
hood rasies on a prop rod
no telescopic steering column
seat does not swivel
Steering cylinders located in front of axle exposed to damage
no supersteer option
boxy styling hood

For Kubota Class 4 compared to NH:
Kubota L5030 has:
PTO horsepower falls well short of the NH TC55DA
No electro-hydraulic shuttle option
Almost 500 lbs less lift capacity at the 3 point
Very poor visibility
Less front end loader lift capacity
Limited access to engine with side panels removed
Steering cylinders located in front of axle exposed to damage
Joystick mounted to loader mast is uncomfortable to operate
Dry traction clutch
No telescoping steering wheel

Should I continue? It wasnt my intention to go there and I understand that the forum is not for that purpose but I felt I needed to defend myself and my posting. All the things I listed contribute to be able to produce a cheaper tractor. No cheaper in quality, cheaper to BUILD and therefore cheaper to sell to the general public. I was only trying to point out the obvious that a tractor is a tractor, some better than others, and if a buyer feels they are getting a good value for the money they are investing, then it is THEIR choice what to buy. If they like the Kubota then great, if they like the NH, then great for us. Your not going to please everybody all the time. I am just glad that I represent one of the best tractors made in the USA!

Regards,
Larry

WoW, thats a lot of typing....

 

[Volfandt]

For Kubota Sub Compacts compared to NH:
Kubota BX2350 has:
No sensitrack

What is sensitrack? The BX has manual rear wheel lockup and of course 4wd, does sensitrack automate this?

To access routine service points, four bolts must be removed and the headlights must be unplugged

Incorrect, I've done all the recommended service on my BX23 at the recommended intervals and at no time has the BX required the cowling to be removed for service. I have removed it for an FYI and to get to know my machine better but it wasn't required.

Mower height adjustment is located on the floor

Whats wrong with that? Set it and forget it

No toolbox

Agree that this is a negative.

Treadle pedal is uncomfortable to operate

I don't think so. I find it easy and comfortable and changing directions is so effortless in that I don't have to remove my foot and place it on another pedal.

Hood design provides limited visibility

We're talking sub compact here, I can easily see my FEL and the load I'm about to scoop up. The newer BX's have the sloped hood.

ROPS is not pre-drilled for worklights or tool carrier

True but Kubota offers clamp on kits that attaches additonal lights and other add-ons. Kubota also supplies a key switched 12vdc accessory plug under the seat for use for electrical options.

Slow maximum forward speed of 8.4 mph

What you wanting to race In my normal usage I rarely if ever get the opportunity to go full speed on my property so 8.4 is plenty fast for me

Small fuel tank capacity of 6.6 gallons

My BX avg's alittle over 1hr on 1 gal of fuel at full pto speed and I've yet to have to refill during usage.

Unfortunatlely I didn't checkout the NH SCUT's when I was shopping but I did check out the Boomers at a combination Kubota/NH dealership. The models compared favorably but likes been said they were too proud of the Boomers. Dealer said he sold almost twice as many Kubota's to NH's....
Only trying to keep it "real"

 

[MadReferee]

Just a minute there!....I NEVER once questioned or mentioned the QUALITY of the Kubota tractor or it value versus price comparison. I simply stated they are cheaper then NH, and well, they are. But since you took the time to bash my posting and bring it up, lets look for moment at some the key differences that make them cheaper:

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Larry

You have spent way too much time looking at those marketing Power Point slides. I see plenty of stuff in your long post that is plain not true or just someone's personnal opinion. You should learn to seperate fact from opinion. Your credibility as a dealer, in my view, has diminished to near zero.

 

[AndyM]

WoW, thats a lot of typing....

...and it hasn't answered the original question of which Kubota is their best seller in the U.S. or my question of why tractor sales figures aren't readily accessible.

 

[Larry The Tractor Guy]

Well, I expected to hear the comments that have been posted. Its just human nature to defend your purchase, no matter what the quality.

Funny I havent seen anybody post a simaler list about New Holland tractors. Why is that? Because you'd be hard pressed to come up with a list of negative things, other than the price.

Of course I am going to defend what I sell. I am just glad I am selling something that is easy to stand behind and I dont have to make any excuses for short comings. This could go on and on and it never would have started if Messeck didnt comment the way he did. He threw the first stone.

So I will step out of your forum and leave you guys to enjoy your tractors, its your choice afterall. I am truly sorry if I offended anyone here. I was only trying to offer some input on the market share numbers and how I percieved the sale of Kubotas vs. the competition.

Kubota will continue to blow me out of the water on price and there is nothing I can do about it. My cost is simply more than the list price on a Kubota and I have to be profitable to stay in business. We are loyal to NH and we dont carry ANY other brand at our dealership. It has been that way for 40 years and I dont see it changing. I compare it to being a Cadallac dealer in a town with several Kia dealers. Sure, the cars all have engines, tires, and a steering wheel but some people prefer luxury and the best of the best, and for that, we are here for them.

Regards,
Larry

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Funny I havent seen anybody post a simaler list about New Holland tractors. Why is that? Because you'd be hard pressed to come up with a list of negative things, other than the price.

Ya gotta remeber here, I sell them both. Kubota, Deere, they all have marketing information that has exactly the same "talking points". There is no point in typing it all out. New Holland has a good product, but they have equal faults as well.

We both agree that its over priced, that is New Holland's main problem. Even with all the benifits you listed its still too expensive and the market reflects that. CNH puts a precieved dollar value to each one of those features and decides what a customer might pay for them. Until they adjust their outlook and start building a tractor to "deliver value" they're going to continue to struggle in this segment.

 

[Glowplug]

Funny I havent seen anybody post a simaler list about New Holland tractors. Why is that? Because you'd be hard pressed to come up with a list of negative things, other than the price. . .
Kubota will continue to blow me out of the water on price and there is nothing I can do about it. . . .I compare it to being a Cadallac dealer in a town with several Kia dealers. Sure, the cars all have engines, tires, and a steering wheel but some people prefer luxury and the best of the best, and for that, we are here for them.

Regards,
Larry

I cannot believe you could be so offensive as a dealer. When someone, let alone a "dealer", mounts a vile viscious attack like this thread's turned into it's time to start looking at thread lock. Moderators?

 

[Larry The Tractor Guy]

Ya gotta remeber here, I sell them both. Kubota, Deere, they all have marketing information that has exactly the same "talking points". There is no point in typing it all out. New Holland has a good product, but they have equal faults as well.

We both agree that its over priced, that is New Holland's main problem. Even with all the benifits you listed its still too expensive and the market reflects that. CNH puts a precieved dollar value to each one of those features and decides what a customer might pay for them. Until they adjust their outlook and start building a tractor to "deliver value" they're going to continue to struggle in this segment.

By all means...type them out...I'd like to see them actually. What points does Kubota use to knock the NH product. I'm actually curious at this point more than anything else. Being a NH dealer I may actually be "blind" to the faults, refusing to recognize them, if you will.

It really doesnt matter to me in the long run because I have plenty of clients and repeat customers that are willing to pay a little more and feel there is true value in what they are buying.

I only poked around on this side of the forum just to see what all the fuss was about and I was wondering how long it would take for the alarms to go off and the brand bashing to start.

Its too bad it has to be that way because again, that was not my intension. I believe I have knowledge that I can share with the group regardless of what they own and like. Being on this side of the desk gives you a different perspective on the business side of things. You know as well as I do that from a salesman standpoint, you sell what is easiest to sell and what you will make the most profit on. I would bet that in multi-line dealerships that carry NH as one of them, most of the salesman START off by showing the Kubota just to avoid the sticker shock of a NH tractor. I know I would if given that opportunity, its just human nature.

Think for a minute if you were loyal to just one brand. How hard do you think that would be? Have you ever worked for a dealership that only sold one major brand? Its a totally differnt environment, one with a sense of compassion for the product and its offerings and less like a Walmart where there are TOO many choices that the customer ends up taking the easy choice for the sake of deciding and guess what that choice is? Of course, "I'll take the one that will do the job and cost me the least amount of money every month"....who wouldnt make that choice given that situation? Unless you have money to burn, I dont see people lining up to pay more!

I am serious about the list though...if you have one...throw it up here for all to see...take your swipe at NH at my expense, I can take it.

If worse comes to worse, we can always hook chains!...

 

[Volfandt]

I only poked around on this side of the forum just to see what all the fuss was about and I was wondering how long it would take for the alarms to go off and the brand bashing to start.

Well, it appears that YOU started it .......
I've yet to see anyone in this thread knock NH, yet you've posted several little "snide" remarks about Kubota, and on a Kubota forum no less.

You want to defend your tractor choice but knock others for defending their?

I've already debunked the majority of your points re. the SCUT class. The only point worth any extra $$$'s would be the toolbox but that hardly justifies hundreds of $$$'s more ..... Perhaps you think blue should bring in more $$$'s.
Perhaps some folks with Kubota's in the other classes you posted about will respond in kind, perhaps not. Thing is, it's of no matter as it's a fact that Kubota DOMINATES this market
Oh and sensitrack isn't worth the additional cost either. If I need more traction, I can just simply depress my rear wheel lockup and/or engage 4wd then release them when it's not needed, returning my tractor back to a turf freindly 2wd machine. On fairly flat turf AWD/4wd is just unnecessary which makes sensitrack an unnecessary feature that just add's to the price of the tractor and also to it's maintenance.