Tractor Sizing How Much Can A Sub Compact Tractor lift?

[LD1]

You are totally missing the point axle.

Scuts can do ALOT of big tasks.

Just like CUTs can do ALOT of smaller tasks.

I listed a group of tractor chores suited to each. Sure, there is some crossover. A CUT can mow a 4 acre lawn just like a SCUT can move some dirt or plow snow.

You took everything out of context picking a few chores I listed that are common things people buy CUTs for, and (here goes the ego-got-something-to-prove-mentality), started touting how smaller tractors can do those jobs.

Well duh. I know they can do those jobs. But look at the list as I posted (not what you omitted), and honestly tell me you would be advising others to buy a SCUT?

And the list of chores I described as scut, you really think that us here would be pushing a larger tractor?

 

[jenkinsph]

Gladehound,
Your intervention was not a failure, most of us understood LD1 the first time. Just because AxelHub can't handle it does not mean you were not clear in your explanation. AxelHub for whatever reason can't handle the truth.

 

[AxleHub]

Well, if all you are trying to do is lift empty pallets then you don't need a tractor. When somebody says pallets without giving out any more information what to you assume. Please don't say aliens. Two guys could lift a pallet of PVC pipe, so that isn't much of an accomplishment for a tractor.

You said lifting empty pallets 4570man . . . I didn't. Other than to distort the truth . . why would you even say it?

You asked: "When somebody says pallets without giving out any more information what to you assume. "

I assume nothing . . I ask how much does the pallet weigh.

Over and over I keep repeating . . I don't assume without some form of input or direct observation.

Let me ask you: If someone asks if you could lift a pallet for them . . does that mean 4000# or 2500# or 1500# ? Is the pallet a 3 x 3 or a 4 x 4 or a jumbo?

Assumptions are just not smart without input.

 

[4570Man]

Just saying pallets without saying what is on them is pretty pointless. They could be empty or stacked with lead and weigh 10,000 pounds. If you are trying to lift a 4,000 pound pallet you have your work cut out for you. An M59 probably could lift a 4,000 pound pallet a few inches off the ground. A medium to small forklift could do it. I could load or unload any of the pallets you asked if I could unload.

 

[gladehound]

Just so we're on the same point . . You're saying my neighbor's jd 300 series lawnmower blows and plows a 200 foot driveway of WI winter snow and my massey isn't capable of doing the same thing?

Another neighbor with even longer driveway plows with a 500 cc atv . . and you're saying my massey can't do as well???

Another neighbor has a jd 728x lawn mower and plows a similar driveway to mine . . yet uou are saying I can't compare to any of these?

LD1 . . you are proving my.point . . Your statement has no balance (ballast). And to boot . . 12 inches of annual snow in WI? We get snows that deep snd drifts twice that height.

But you wonder why I challenge such silly statements? Even the naive know better than believe you just made a balanced post. And digging dirt ?? If a "dingo" (small miniature rental walk behind skidsteer) can dig dirt and post hole dig and trench . . But my massey can't ??

Where's the mental ballast ld1 ?

Axle - this is your original response to LD-1 after he listed some tasks he would recommend a CUT for vs others he would recommend a SCUT for. You call his statements silly. Not once did you earnestly seek to understand LD-1. You posted some questions, but from the statements below those questions, it is clear that you were not seeking to understand. If you were, you would have posted questions and then waited for a response rather than calling the statements silly. You assumed LD-1 meant that a SCUT couldn't do certain tasks when that clearly was not his intent. How can you say you don't assume. I can take just about any post where you have responded in an antagonistic way and point out your assumptions.

I still would like you to point out where I made assumptions about your posts. Because I try not to do so unless I'm fairly sure I'm on the same page with the person and then if I am wrong I will apologize and own up to it. Something you should learn to do.

 

[AxleHub]

You are totally missing the point axle.

Scuts can do ALOT of big tasks.

Just like CUTs can do ALOT of smaller tasks.

I listed a group of tractor chores suited to each. Sure, there is some crossover. A CUT can mow a 4 acre lawn just like a SCUT can move some dirt or plow snow.

You took everything out of context picking a few chores I listed that are common things people buy CUTs for, and (here goes the ego-got-something-to-prove-mentality), started touting how smaller tractors can do those jobs.

Well duh. I know they can do those jobs. But look at the list as I posted (not what you omitted), and honestly tell me you would be advising others to buy a SCUT?

And the list of chores I described as scut, you really think that us here would be pushing a larger tractor?

LD1,

If someone gave me your two lists and asked for my opinion I'd say the following:

List 1 . . I'd ask for a definition of skid steer quantity and size. I'd ask the same for mold board plowing. Then depending on their answers to the uses would determine cut sizes or not.

List 2 . . Would be a lawn mower/maybe a cub cadet 3000 . . Not a scut.

Just the fact that you think list 2 represents scut activities . . . just shows your attitude toward them.

But lets be a lot more accurate shall we . . Real life not "suppose". There is a lengthy thread where glade and I participated often.

A prospect had just bought a 2 acre house in a nice area. Slopes . . . Lawn . . Some woods and his plan to burn wood for heat and have logs brought in to work up plus cut and clear part of the woods etc..

If you or others would read that thread . . You'd find out who glade and I really represent and how big tractor posters kept pushing this guy to buy a lawn mower and a cut . . and I kept trying to let him choose for himself instead of being pushed all the time by others.

You want to label me ? Then read that thread to see who I am instead of assuming who or what I am.

The title of the thread is

In the buying/pricing/comparison area.

"O my I'm confused"

 

[AxleHub]

Just saying pallets without saying what is on them is pretty pointless. They could be empty or stacked with lead and weigh 10,000 pounds. If you are trying to lift a 4,000 pound pallet you have your work cut out for you. An M59 probably could lift a 4,000 pound pallet a few inches off the ground. A medium to small forklift could do it. I could load or unload any of the pallets you asked if I could unload.

Exactly my point. And that is what ld1 did when he created his list 1 . . A group of functions with no data or requirements. And then others tell us that we're supposed to "know" that pallets means a certain load level requirement . . So its supposed to only fit a cut and not a scut.

 

[Grandad4]

Gee whiz! This thread has me pondering deeply and introspectively whether I'm really an SCUT kind of guy or a large CUT sort of fella or maybe even a UT person, because the zen and karma are apparently so radically different, or something. I may need counselling to sort my feelings out. But meanwhile, the following thoughts occurred, and might add something to the discussion.

No matter what size of machine we're dealing with, its safe weight handling ability depends a series of factors. I can think of a few:

1. Hydraulic capacity. Some machines are juiced-up more than others for whatever reason, and have more raw lifting power. Axle's original test, for example, showed more capability than the published specs for his GC.
2. Tractor dimensions. The tractor's length, width, height, weight and FEL geometry absolutely determine how it will behave when carrying a load under dynamic conditions. Several of us have made this point in various ways, I think trying to inform that sometimes just because a load can be lifted, maybe the tractor's dimensions can suggest it's less than prudent to do so. Axle's GC, for example, has pretty much the same size and weight as a BX, so it would be roughly about as stable under similar conditions, even if its hydraulics might be stronger. Rest assured there is no impure prejudice against SCUT's in my soul inspiring me to point this out.
3. Real world working conditions. This equipment works in all kinds of terrain and conditions... they ain't forklifts operating on a concrete floor. This is why the dimensions are so important. What works great under perfect conditions can be a disaster in the making on a hillside, rutted ground, in the muck, etc. I once watched a Bobcat do a perfect faceplant with a full bucket up high due to a small rut. All the lifting power in the world on a short wheelbase!
4. Structural considerations. If a manufacturer rates his tractor for 600 lbs payload in the FEL, is loading it up with 900 lbs something you really want to be doing regularly simply because your hydraulics will lift it? What's the design load of that front axle? What about the chassis? And those loader arms? By analogy, how do you feel about getting on an airplane whose wings have be subjected to maximum g forces too many times? Your tractor. If you want it to last, use it accordingly.
Finally,
5. The operator. What can I say. Good judgement always wins in the long run.

Cheers.

 

[LD1]

Sorry I didn't spell out every tiny detail for you.

For the tasks in list 1
Pallets of 800-1500#. Stuff the average person would go get a skid of at Lowes that is 17.2 miles away and set in their 2003 chevy 1500 with 5.3, ac, and cruise. Like 15 bags of quickcrete brand cement mix, 3000psi, in 60# bags for building a deck, or a skid of mulch, natural color and not black.

For plowing, think a single or 2 bottom plow. Plowing a garden spot of 200' x 100'. Soil is a clay mix, good drainage, with a ph or 7.2, and plowing east to west and not north and south, area has about 3' fall over the 200', so pretty level.

Not to mention that pulling a disc goes hand in hand with plowing.

Digging in the dirt. I'm actually talking digging. Leveling a building pad, digging up stumps, making a ditch, backfilling trenches, etc.

The log skidding. I'm talking about an 18" dbh mulburry tree. Gotta brush it out with the dolmar ps540, use 3/8" gr70 chain with grab hooks, and skid it 134' out the trail in the woods to the landing area to buck up with a dolmar 84cc bigbore saw with 24' bar and full chisel. Or the twin 14" base surgar maple uprooted with the hoe back at the fencerow. Brush it out with the ps540 again, then drag to the area to cut it. Then used the loader to knock dirt off the 5' diameter rootball. That dirt looked a little low in nitrogen BTW. After that, push the stump and brush into a pile to be burned and fill what's left of the stump hole.

Did I leave anything out? Enough detail? Should I trade in for a SCUT?

 

[ErikVann]

This thread is hilarious! Clearly the op will never see the folly of his repeated argument that scuts are more capable than they are given credit for. Axel you seem **** bent to ignore the basic premise that while your gc tractor maybe capable of lifting more than the mf brochure says it is inherently dangerous to do so in all but the most controlled and static situations. give it up, your gc is not designed or intended to routinely do the work of a small or midsize cut. It works for you and that is great, leave it at that. Why do you feel the need to feverishly insinuate that the scut tractors are capable of operations for which they aren't designed or intended for by their manufacturers? It's foolish and does a diservice to those who are seeking clarity in a complex market.