Tractor Sizing How Much Can A Sub Compact Tractor lift?

[LD1]

Axle: the problem is not your testing. Not your testing methods. And not even that you are posting about it. I lift more than mine is rated to and post about it as well.

The problem is the "tone" that you have taken in this thread. To us reading, it sounds like someone who has something inadequite and has to constantly try to convince themself and others that it is adequate. Now I'm not saying I think you mean to come across that way, but that is how its being received and that is what we are trying to tell you.

 

[sd455dan]

Erikvann,

The brochure or manuals don't tell me what I wanted to know and posters were understating the potential . . so I tested. Isn't that frightening to actually "test"

There's nothing "feverish" in my effort . . at the same time . . I listen to most . . for insight and wisdom . . not louder voices.

I harm no one because I clarify why I do it and the specifics of what I do so I can determine the margins to actually use. If I can maximum lift 875 pounds above and beyond quick attach and bucket or fork weight . . then my margins under good conitions would be 700 pounds at 30 to 42 inches height. What others think of maximum height is their concern not mine and I have clearly defined it. At the same time . . I get alot of lectures about what I'm not when those that do it don't know what I am like in practice.

I have adapted many things in my methods from exposure to other's wisdom from tbn and other sources . . but following along in "lock step" because voices get loud . . isn't one of them.

I'm honest, and I don't get emotional. I apologize when I think I'm wrong . . and quite determined when I think others are bullying someone.

SCUTs are the largest selling category of tractor in 2014 snd 2015. To fail to recognize that fact is to fail to undetstand their uses and impact imo.

Thanks for listening.

Isn't that frightening to actually "test"


I wasn't going to post-especially after removing one last night about proper ballasting (weighting) IF lifting near or above ratings of your FEL it was similar to most of the other recent posts... BUT

IT IS frightening
if there is a possibility of un- weighting the rear of your tractor BECAUSE there is no weight on the 3 point...
I still don't think you understand that IF this happens (which from another thread you posted in- it came Very close)
the front axle is what tries to stay planted on the ground- while the rest of the tractor- loader- rear tires rotates on the front axle pivot and possibly tips over on its side ...


That is the main point (at least to me and others) have been trying to get you to understand... This is nothing to joke about... PLEASE put some weight on the 3 point if you plan to keep lifting things in the FEL that are beyond the ratings.

Sorry if this offends- but NONE of the readers or posters want anyone hurt or worse while operating their tractor...

 

[94BULLITT]

Axle: the problem is not your testing. Not your testing methods. And not even that you are posting about it. I lift more than mine is rated to and post about it as well.

The problem is the "tone" that you have taken in this thread. To us reading, it sounds like someone who has something inadequite and has to constantly try to convince themself and others that it is adequate. Now I'm not saying I think you mean to come across that way, but that is how its being received and that is what we are trying to tell you.

That is what it sounds like to me.

 

[AxleHub]

Pretty much what I have. Certainly not a SCUT though.

So earlier you picked a few tasks from a list and said a SCUT can do those few.

Now with a little more usless info you are suggesting a CUT?

Yes,I gave some pertinant info about weights and what not. But what pops into your mind when someone inquires about skidding logs and moldboard plowing? I certainly wouldn't think you would get a mental image of dragging a 6" tree you cut down across the yard.....

If intended uses are gonna be skidding or plowing/discing all other things aside, a SCUT is something I wouldn't recommend simply for small tire/ground clearance reasons.

I just have this mental image in my head now I cannot shake....of a SCUT stuck, high centered over a plow furrow

Scuts are capable of a nice list of tasks, but ground clearance is just a fact of life (and a fact of frame). When you present specifics as you did . . then clearances and project size can be evaluated. A scut like mine can till a very large garden . . but specifying the mold board plow size and use then categorizes larger tire sizes and clearance needs to me.

My scut with a mini grapple will easily be able to pick up a 10 foot 10 inch log . . Or drag a 15 foot 12 inch log with chain . . but if its the size you stated for the distance you stated in a rough wooded area . . then again clearance and tires and hp change.

The other day I helped a neighbor haul a tree to his trailer. It was a 75 foot big oak. At the trunk base it was 40 inches diameter. I hauled buckets filled with 18 and 20 inch diameter chunks . . 2 or 3 in each bucket load 400 to 500 # per load. A Cut could have cut the number of loads by 1/3rd but my massey barely could get in the yard so a cut wasn't even a possibility.
Those log hauls weren't making the massey work hard . . But sure challenged his trailer

 

[94BULLITT]

Roger,
That is a good question, some people are willing to face reality, others are not. For instance you have a subcut and know what it is best suited for and also have the compact to handle the larger jobs. I know you well enough to know that you make good use of each machine and understand each machines limitations. You also take excellent care of your equipment and would not try to find the breaking point. Some other people have to learn the hard way.

Thanks, Steve. I do try to take good care of my equipment. I do like to give them a good work out but I'm not going to be stupid and do something to tear on up.

 

[AxleHub]

What if you needed to load a truck? This is not an unreasonable request. I commonly load logs over the side boards on a 1 ton dump truck.

Well as I posted on this thread farther back . . I was dumping dirt into a dump trailer that had extended sides . . at full height but again thats not big weight.

If I was loading logs or a fork activity . .
That would be at the back of truck and at a 36 to 45 inch height.

 

[4570Man]

I have maxed out my LA724 loader many times loading logs and it is rated to lift 1,800 pounds to full height. How high can your tractor lift.

 

[roadhunter]

A walk behind skid steer is pretty impressive. Several tree guys have at least one. After a recent ice storm the ground was too wet for my tractor or almost any tractor. The tracked walk behind skid steers could go in the wet lawns without causing damage. I would take a WBSS over a sub compact tractor any day. The WBSS could lift a 25" diameter 4 foot long white oak log.

There is a difference in construction equipment and little tractors. I bought a little tractor with Bobcat stickers and found out the hard way. It was not the same as real Bobcat equipment designed for construction sites and daily use. Little tractors are designed for homeowner type of use in most cases and quite frankly are toys for lifting compared to a WBSS. Just the difference in hydraulics alone is a huge difference and comparing a 3 point hitch with a skid steer QA is not even fair. Trying to line up 3 pins and beat them into place along with hooking up a PTO is work compared to a skid steer QA and plugging in 2 hydraulic hoses.

 

[TomSeller]

Popcorn please..... Oh and add butter too.

 

[AxleHub]

Axle: the problem is not your testing. Not your testing methods. And not even that you are posting about it. I lift more than mine is rated to and post about it as well.

The problem is the "tone" that you have taken in this thread. To us reading, it sounds like someone who has something inadequite and has to constantly try to convince themself and others that it is adequate. Now I'm not saying I think you mean to come across that way, but that is how its being received and that is what we are trying to tell you.

In no way do I think my unit is inadequate . . I just keep being told it is. I keep being told I'm reckless by people who have no clue who i am. I keep being told I need to settle for what the brochure says because its not a Cut.

I don't know how I could explain my methods with greater exactness or clarity. Certainly no one would claim i demonstrate brevity