Tractor Sizing How Much Can A Sub Compact Tractor lift?

[AxleHub]

I have maxed out my LA724 loader many times loading logs and it is rated to lift 1,800 pounds to full height. How high can your tractor lift.

4570,

I don't know 6' 2" or 3". But it doesn't matter to me because if I have to lift logs 6 foot high . . I'll find another way because other than a bucket of gravel.or dirt . . the leverage fulcrum is just not good.

I didnt buy my tractor for 6 foot activity.

 

[gladehound]

Certainly no one would claim i demonstrate brevity

:laughing: I like that :laughing:

 

[jenkinsph]

I keep being told I need to settle for what the brochure says because its not a Cut.

This is one of the major problems you have in this thread, the end of the sentence is embellished by YOU adding
"because it is not a Cut". Most of the members would agree that working within the design specifications applies to all tractors large or small. When you start lifting beyond the design specifications bad things can happen whether it is a subcut or a 500 ton crane.

You started this thread initially to prove to YOURSELF that your subcut is not a toy. Your perception that all of the members who have compacts feel that a subcut is a toy is flawed. Speaking for myself I don't consider a subcut to be a toy and if I had unlimited funds would like to have one. I also don't feel that my garden tractors are toys either, they do a great job for me and put food on the table.

Scale is another issue, there are large farmers who use nothing smaller than large utilty tractors for odd jobs around their farms. These same farmers would not consider these to be big enough for their general farm work and use much larger ag tractors for the big jobs.

Time is yet another issue, ants can move a small pile of dirt if given enough time. A shovel with operator can move that pile in a much shorter period of time. I can move small amounts of dirt leveling or grading/contouring in my work with large compacts, if it is within a few hundred yards per acre. If I need to move 5000 yards of dirt I hire a dozer to rough grade first to save time and wear on my equipment.

Axle, do you perceive a lawn tractor or garden tractor to be a toy compared to your subcut? I ask because if you do then maybe you have the perception problem that you accuse others of having.

 

[AxleHub]

Axle, do you perceive a lawn tractor or garden tractor to be a toy compared to your subcut? I ask because if you do then maybe you have the perception problem that you accuse others of having.

Just the opposite . . and Ive written about it on other threads. I bought a unique lawn tractor this year (used with 55 hours on it) . . That I wanted since the day I first saw them in 2007 Its a zero turn tractor ( not a zero turn rider). Its designed and built for slopes and zero turn activity. Then I bought a new snowblower to put on it so in winter its 25 hp engine will run just as it does in summer.

And why did I do it? Because the mower and snowblower combined were much cheaper than a snowblower for my massey and then my fel stays on all winter.

New topic. Larger tractor owners. Its seems a few of them who post here refer to themselves as "we" as a group or they claim that I lump them all together under 1 definition. That is never what I've stated not even close. I find some of my favorite posters own larger tractors and some of my least favorite own larger tractors. Its much more about their viewpoints and assumptions that makes the difference . . not the equipment they own.

I also find that some make claims that I only think scut . . and again my posts never even remotely close to claim that.

My point has consistently been that equipment and capabilities have changed greatly over the last 20 years. A kubota bx in 1999 is nothing like a kubota bx today . . Just as smaller cuts have changed greatly.

 

[TJP89]

There's been talk here about perceptions, what feel axle is trying to argue is that a CUT is unnecessary because a SCUT can do everything a CUT can, he may not think that, but that's how it comes across. I would like to see his little 1500# SCUT plowing through 8" of heavy snow uphill on a side slope, or pulling a 7500# suburban out of 2ft snow drifts. Not going to happen. There is a reason I have a 35HP, 3500#, 4WD tractor, I may not need all that all the time, but when I do, I really need it. On those occasions, I was very, very, very happy I had not bought the little 24HP Yanmar SCUT.

 

[GManBart]

My point has consistently been that equipment and capabilities have changed greatly over the last 20 years. A kubota bx in 1999 is nothing like a kubota bx today . . Just as smaller cuts have changed greatly.

The Kubota BX line didn't exist in 1999

If you look at the first BX models (2001) and the current versions of the same horsepower, the dimensions are virtually unchanged. Loader lift capacity has increased somewhat, but the lift heights have stayed essentially the same. In some models the increased lift capacity is in the 100-150b range. That's useful, but not exactly a game changer.

 

[AxleHub]

Well its time to stop. I've worked very hard to respond to posters in a civil and polite manner.

I've explained till I'm blue in the face . . but some want to claim "feelings" that actually contradict my words stated.

If any readers think I was trying to convince myself of the value of scuts . . then that is a mis interpretation of all of my statements or any of my posts. I spent 9 years evaluating as many of my posts have stated. There was no uncertainty.

And if any readers think I don't see purposes for all categories of outdoor equipment . . then again . . . they've ignored my words and statements and actions to inject their own statements.

I've experienced some really fine posters and some good points and learning both on this thread and other threads I've started or participated in. But I've also seen some significant insensitivity to others as well.

Since I started this thread, the number of contacts I've had from readers who don't post has jumped a bunch. They express a desire not to contribute because they don't want to be treated as I have in some cases. A statement repeated in several of those contacts I received is . . how can someone not know that calling a scut an oversized lawn mower is hurtful?

My original purpose in starting this thread was stated many times by me. If you wonder why others haven't contributed to the original effort and intent . . you only have to look at a good percentage of the responses to my posts.

I'm not a victim and I'm not beaten . . but a fair number who don't and won't post here are victims . Too many who posted here saw it as some kind of contest or competition or "feelings" trumping actual words.

Safety is and always has been one of my top priorities for myself and others. For anyone to judge me reckless . . is to assume much more than my words ever said.

I understand that some wanted to express their concern for my safety . . and I appreciated that concern . . but others simply chose to claim I didn't recognize or understand what I was doing over and over again. And that was neither correct or appropriate.

I won't be emotional on message boards and I'll depart with the same smile on my face I had when I started this thread.

I'll part with one of my sayings . . humility in life is more important than wisdom . . and wisdom is the awareness no one has all the answers . . so always listen and keep it positive because you have a long life to learn

Axlehub

 

[TJP89]

This thread has gone a long way from the original topic, and I may have helped that, my mistake. I think if the thread got back to actual loader lift capacities, it would be a very interesting and informative thread. I for one would be happy to see that data.

Also, I know that SCUTs have their place, and in certain tasks are better than any other machine. I have several times argued against going bigger when there was no need. I have also argued for moving up, as I know that a SCUT cannot do many things a CUT can. Each type is an invaluable tool if used correctly, but one cannot completely replace the other. I think I've said this before, I would like to have a SCUT on my property to do the things the Kioti is too big or heavy to do well.

Now, does anyone else have actual loader stats for any type of tractor?

 

[GManBart]

Well its time to stop. I've worked very hard to respond to posters in a civil and polite manner.

I've explained till I'm blue in the face . . but some want to claim "feelings" that actually contradict my words stated.

If any readers think I was trying to convince myself of the value of scuts . . then that is a mis interpretation of all of my statements or any of my posts. I spent 9 years evaluating as many of my posts have stated. There was no uncertainty.

And if any readers think I don't see purposes for all categories of outdoor equipment . . then again . . . they've ignored my words and statements and actions to inject their own statements.

I've experienced some really fine posters and some good points and learning both on this thread and other threads I've started or participated in. But I've also seen some significant insensitivity to others as well.

Since I started this thread, the number of contacts I've had from readers who don't post has jumped a bunch. They express a desire not to contribute because they don't want to be treated as I have in some cases. A statement repeated in several of those contacts I received is . . how can someone not know that calling a scut an oversized lawn mower is hurtful?

My original purpose in starting this thread was stated many times by me. If you wonder why others haven't contributed to the original effort and intent . . you only have to look at a good percentage of the responses to my posts.

I'm not a victim and I'm not beaten . . but a fair number who don't and won't post here are victims . Too many who posted here saw it as some kind of contest or competition or "feelings" trumping actual words.

Safety is and always has been one of my top priorities for myself and others. For anyone to judge me reckless . . is to assume much more than my words ever said.

I understand that some wanted to express their concern for my safety . . and I appreciated that concern . . but others simply chose to claim I didn't recognize or understand what I was doing over and over again. And that was neither correct or appropriate.

I won't be emotional on message boards and I'll depart with the same smile on my face I had when I started this thread.

I'll part with one of my sayings . . humility in life is more important than wisdom . . and wisdom is the awareness no one has all the answers . . so always listen and keep it positive because you have a long life to learn

Axlehub

Good Lord, talk about a martyr complex....this is ridiculous. Nobody is a victim, nobody is trying to "dominate" new folks (as you stated in an earlier post) and if someone gets their feelings hurt because another person on the internet said their SCUT was an oversized lawn mower, they have some issues that need to be addressed.

For whatever reason, you seem to feel slighted, and don't seem to want to believe people when they post the "problem" (for lack of a better term). First off, it's the tone, and second, it's the very obvious bias you have....in your very own words, not anybody's opinion.

You say the manufacturers post incorrect, or misleading information in their brochures, or omit important details...that's an interesting point. You know why? Because the user manual for your DL95 loader provides most of the information you're asking about. In fact, you posted in a thread on the exact topic here, and it had all the specs listed, along with pictures of the manual....and the manual states a 77Kg bucket was used with the DL95. If you already knew the specs from the manual, why start this thread stating the manufacturer doesn't provide them????

Here's what you said in post #1:

"GC1715 with DL95 loader:

The brochure wouldnt tell me so I tested how much weight the fel can lift."

Here's where you posted in the thread on the DL95 loader. Below that are the actual specs you say aren't in the brochure. They are in the loader manual, where they should be. Brochures are for general information, while manuals are specific.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...l-95-vs-dl-100-a-post4095331.html#post4095331

Lifting height at Pivot = 73"
Lifting Height under level bucket = 65"
Max. Load at Max height = 870 lbs
Max. Load at bucket edge (20" from pin) 580 lbs
Max. lift at pin at 1 meter = 1050 lbs
Max load at 1.0 meter (20" from pin) = 760 lbs
Max lift at ground level = 1400 lbs
Max lift at ground level (20" from pin) = 920 lbs
Front axle capacity = 1940 lbs
Rear axle capacity = 2094 lbs


Then there's the issue of being insulting to other posters, or suggesting how they're either lying, or don't know what they're talking about. Your words early on in this thread:

"My desire is to counter balance a huge amount of inaccurate statements posters make about the small payloads possible on a scut. Maybe other scuts can't lift as much as mine . . Maybe they can . . but too often posters talk of a scut can only lift 500 pounds and it just isn't corect and may cause some to doubt a scuts abilities or choosing one."

So you don't seem to believe the manufacturers, and don't believe other posters....and say as much, but you want to set the record straight, for whatever reason. That's bias from the outset. If you'd said "My loader specs show XXX numbers, and I want to see if I can duplicate them in real life" it would be one thing, but that's not how it comes across.

It's also kind of funny to sit back and watch the posts you've responded to, and the ones you've seemed to ignore....very telling.

 

[LD1]

There is a difference between saying something is a ""toy"

And saying something is a "toy in comparison"

And sometimes someone means "toy in comparison" yet just says toy, so it gets blued.

A 16oz ballpeen is a toy in comparison to a 16# sledge
A 1/4 drive ratched is a toy compared to a 3/4 drive
My CUT is a toy compared to a 150HP 15k lb farm tractor
A B25 is a toy compared to my 5500tlb

Non of them are actually toys. The phrase is just used to illustrate a large size difference.

So dont get all worked up and defensive is someone says your tractor is a toy, or a toy in comparison to??? It just means its a smaller tractor.