Hydraulic Tip 'N Tilt

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diagram of Danfoss valve from Bailey

This is a diagram of the Danfoss valve from Bailey. I will try to get some comparison measuremnts from my Prince valve, purchased from Northern.

Thanks to Harv for "shrinking" the file!

RobertN in Shingle Springs Calif
 
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Re: diagram of Danfoss valve from Bailey

RobertN, I'm too dense to understand much of that, but it looks like a more reasonable size. And I don't know what the size is going to be of the one I've ordered, except the dealer said it shouldn't be any bigger than my loader valve.

Bird
 
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Comparison measurements of the Danfoss to Prince v

I have the Prince Valve from Northern, 3-spool(I have not installed it). I am comparing it to the Danfoss mdl-1637 noted in my previous post for basic dimensions
body
Manufac width depth height weight
Danfoss 6.6" 7.5" 2.3" not available
Prince 10" 11" 4" 35-lb

The Prince valve, while most likely a quality valve, is rather large to place on the fender of a compact tractor.

RobertN in Shingle Springs Calif
 
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Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

Bird -

Since you brought up the old Tip 'N' Tilt subject again, I took a harder look at my L2500 hydraulics to see exactly where I would tap in to the system. Unfortunately, I only got myself more confused, so I did the usual thing and took pictures (see attached).

Since it appears that all the available ports are being used by the FEL, does that just mean that I need to replace one of them distribution block thingies with something that allows more connections?

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Harv, there's still a lot I don't know. My B2710 has that optional hydraulic outlet kit available (and if I didn't have a parts manual, I'd have never figured out where it was supposed to go) that your tractor may - or may not - have. If your tractor does not have that additional outlet, then you'd have to do the same thing LarryT's dealer did to his. The top left picture you posted is of the hydraulic block and one of those hoses should go to the inlet on your loader valve. The other hose is coming back to that block from the power beyond port on the loader valve (the one on top by the quick couplers). And the outlet on the loader valve has a hose going back to the tank (or reservoir). So what has to be done (if I understand all of this and LarryT's pictures and Mark Chalkley's messages from a long time ago) is for you to run that hose from the loader power beyond port to the inlet of the new valve and then from the outlet of the new valve back to the hydraulic block where the power beyond hose now goes. That's what LarryT's pictures look like and that's what I've been told to do, but the part I don't understand is why the loader valve has to have both a power beyond outlet AND an outlet to the tank, IF the new valve does not use its power beyond port. The new valve I'm getting has a power beyond port, but it's plugged, and another thing I wasn't too happy about is that there was no instructions, manual, or paperwork of any kind in the boxes with the Tisco valve or cylinders. I'm hoping the "instruction manual" that's supposed to be included with that optional outlet I've ordered will clarify things for me. If not, that dealer's probably going to have some explaining to do./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif Or maybe someone else on the forum can explain it to me.

Bird
 
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Harv,
OK, so does the coloring follow through? In other words, the upper left photo has a green hose on top and an orange hose on bottom... corresponding to the hoses on your SCV, right? If so, seems to me that inserting a valve between the block and the green hose would do the trick. Of course, finding another "distribution block" might be a little tricky.
Oh yeah, does the lower photo show the source from the tractor to the SCV?

/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif Dang, I should've known Bird would repy to this faster than I can type! /w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif
<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1>Edited by markcg2000 on 12/31/00 07:21 PM.</FONT></P>
 
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Re: Hydraulic Tip \'N Tilt

Did someone say something about finishing a project lately?/w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif I can’t say the project
is finished, but I do finally have the hydraulic tip ‘n tilt working on my 3-point hitch. I’m a
little reluctant to tell about it, but maybe if anyone else intends to try this as a DIY project,
maybe I can help them do a little better than I did.

I used the following parts and costs:

From Kubota, Part number:

6C040-9510-0 Hydraulic Outlet Kit $68.95

(Included hydraulic block, two bolts, two o-rings, and an “instruction manual” that was
one side of a single 8.5” x 11” sheet of paper that showed which port was in and which
was out - noticed top of page showed it was for the B1700, B2100, and B2400, so I
assume those models have the same optional outlet)

The instructions say to “Remove the fender RH and block cover.” (whatever that means).
I just removed the two bolts and cover and put the new outlet on - easy to reach without
removing anything else on the tractor. The instructions also say “NOTE: If the control
valve of implement has the relief valve, the tank port flow from implement should be
connected to the located on the right hand side of transmission case.” (Clear as mud;
right? Did they leave a word out?)

From Tisco, Part numbers:

HTL2102 Top Link Cylinder $185.70
(2” diameter, 20” long, 8” stroke)
HTL2202 Side Link Cylinder $185.70
(2” diameter, 13.5” long, 3.5” stroke)
HV4023 Two Spool Valve $203.84
HV4988 Straight Handle $ 4.43
HV4989 Offset Handle $ 4.43
HV4987 Two Handle Knobs $ 2.40
HV4975 Two Handle Linkage Kits $ 5.20

Obtained from local dealer:

6 hydraulic hoses and assorted fittings $102.00
2 more hoses (because I miscalculated) $ 38.00
1 more hose (because I modified something in the middle of the project) $ 13.90

First had 3/8” hoses to go to and from the valve and 1/4” hoses from valve to cylinders,
but then changed to use 1/4” hoses for all six.

From hardware store:

2 pins $ 2.70
bolt, nuts & washer $ 1.79

Total Cost: $819.04

First concern was that all the items from Tisco came without a single shred of paper; i.e.,
no instruction sheets, no spec sheets, no warranty sheet, or anything else with their name
on it. (I’ve asked the dealer to try to get spec sheets at least). The cylinders had the 90
degree fittings to go in them to attach the hoses to; the valve had none.

I decided to mount the valve on the fender instead of onto the ROPS, as LarryT did, partly
because the valve was small enough to fit conveniently, and partly because the handles are
long enough they would be sticking out too far on the right side to suit me; might hang on
a tree limb sometime. Removed the handle from the right fender, used one of the existing
holes, and drilled one other hole to mount the valve.

The top link cylinder was good as it was; would have preferred about 2” shorter, but
this’ll work. The side link cylinder had the forked end on the rod at an angle similar to the
OEM link, but the top, or cylinder end, had the forked end on straight instead of angled.
That wouldn’t let the lower link swing as far out as it should. In addition, the holes for
the pins were different sizes from the original side link. I had to drill the holes out larger,
couldn’t find pins the same diameter and proper length; had to buy long ones, drill holes
for the cotter pins, cut them down to the proper length, and grind smooth ends on them.
Then I had a couple of short offset heavy brackets on hand that I bolted onto the top fork
of the cylinder to give it the offset necesary to let the lower link swing through its full
range (may weld them on later, but wanted to be sure it was going to work before doing
and welding).

Tisco put a very thick coat of black paint on the handles (levers). I had to remove the
paint from the threaded end on the wire wheel on the bench grinder before I could screw
the handles on. Then I found that the linkage kits for the handles did not have everything
necessary to connect them; just had what looks like a single chain master link. I’ve
temporarily used a couple of small bolts on hand while the dealer is trying to find out how
Tisco thinks you’re going to hook up that linkage Otherwise, everything now works OK.
The power beyond port was plugged on the valve, so I didn’t mess with it, but I do
wonder about a relief valve, whether it has one; if so, whether it’s open all the time since
the power beyond port is plugged and not in use.

I wanted to try it first to see how fast the cylinders worked, and now that I’ve tried it, I do
intend to put flow restrictors in the lines to make them work more slowly and make minor
adjustments easier.

Now this is long enough that I won’t discuss the 6 trips to town (50-60 miles each time),
having to buy a new drill bit, getting a new one that was bent and having to straighten it
with a 4# hammer, forgetting to tighten one little fitting before starting the engine,
and having to clean up the oil off the floor, and little things like that./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

Bird
 
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Bird,
How about a picture or two..I been following the post and very interested in the out come.

Thomas..NH /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
 
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Pictures, Thomas? Do you remember the old song from Hee Haw, "if it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck a'tall." Well, that's been me lately./w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif Besides fixing a few air tools and tinkering with the tractor hydraulics, a water main broke in my yard; flooded the whole front yard, driveway, etc. And it was supposed to run parallel beside the brick walk from the house to the shop, but it was found directly under the middle of the walk. So, I had to take up the entire brick walk and need to re-do it. Then an outside security light died; new bulb and electric eye didn't fix it (I've bought a new one; now got to find time to put it up).

And then I had ordered a digital camera from Sony. It arrived; defective - no flash. I won't go into the details of what I went through with Sony, but suffice it to say that the camera has been shipped back, and you can safely bet there will never be a Sony product in this household. And I haven't had time to go shopping for another camera yet; don't know what or when I'm going to buy.

Bird
 
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Bird -

Thanks for that report. I was hanging on every word (no joke). /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

The complete lack of documentation scares me a little, and I'm surprised that things didn't go together a little more smoothly. Have you formed an opinion of Tisco that you would care to share?

Anyway, congrats on having a real live tip 'n' tilt machine. I'm totally jealous, but I will try to enjoy it vicariously through you.

That reminds me -- you said you got a new digital camera (hint, hint)? /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

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