HydrauLink- a self-contained air over hydraulic top link

[eternalwolf777]

Sure, American ingenuity never got us anywhere, huh?

Have you read this thread? According to some, these people can do nothing right. First, it was 'Made in America' and people complained (a lot) that is was too expensive and not worth it. So, these people go and do what nearly every other manufacturer in the US has done and find a foreign manufacturer so they can compete. They drop their price and now people moan that they're not building it in the US! Nothing is good enough. They want it cheap, good and fast and built here.

Sure, I wish they were building them all here too but I don't fault them for trying to survive in a harsh economy. Do you refuse to buy any products built overseas? You better scratch Wal-Mart, Target, Sears, John Deere, Bobcat, Kubota and just about everybody else off your list while you're at it.

This is nothing less than armchair quarterbacking.

 

[5030]

Sure, American ingenuity never got us anywhere, huh?

Have you read this thread? According to some, these people can do nothing right. First, it was 'Made in America' and people complained (a lot) that is was too expensive and not worth it. So, these people go and do what nearly every other manufacturer in the US has done and find a foreign manufacturer so they can compete. They drop their price and now people moan that they're not building it in the US! Nothing is good enough. They want it cheap, good and fast and built here.

Sure, I wish they were building them all here too but I don't fault them for trying to survive in a harsh economy. Do you refuse to buy any products built overseas? You better scratch Wal-Mart, Target, Sears, John Deere, Bobcat, Kubota and just about everybody else off your list while you're at it.

This is nothing less than armchair quarterbacking.

Maybe for you. Not for me. Lets just say I'm in the manufacturing business making American made products with American raw materials and selling them worldwide and no, not tractor related but you will find me on 'Made in America', not was made in America and the off shored.

Of course I don't refuse to buy products made overseas, that would be ludicrous. However, to initiate a product here (as they did) and then move it offshore to insure continuing high profits, I have a problem with that.

I simply stated the ongoing scenario that is degrading not only our economy but our very existence as an industrial society.

Accept it for what it is and purchase at your own discretion.

 

[Riderguy]

Accept it for what it is and purchase at your own discretion.

I did and the product works as I have expected. Do I wish it was made in America? Sure. But they don't manufacture the product, just design it.

Does the fact that John Deere uses imported engines on their 3x20 series and that the 5000 & 6000 series tractors are imported from India and China get as much thread play as this, I don't think so.

If you don't like the product, don't buy it. I wanted it, bought it and am happy with it for what it does. Enough said.

 

[lilranch2001]

I did and the product works as I have expected. Do I wish it was made in America? Sure. But they don't manufacture the product, just design it.

Does the fact that John Deere uses imported engines on their 3x20 series and that the 5000 & 6000 series tractors are imported from India and China get as much thread play as this, I don't think so.

If you don't like the product, don't buy it. I wanted it, bought it and am happy with it for what it does. Enough said.

^5 I sure do not understand why all these people brow beat this vendor.

 

[tsteahr]

/Rant On/

I suspect the switch to offshore manufacturing was a direct response to people complaining the price was to high. Yet these same people complain about offshore manufacturing. If more people put their money where their mouth is, the product would still be made in the USA.

The product fills a niche. Personally, I was excited when it came out and I was thrilled it was made in the USA. I realized it cost a few dollars more than perhaps it "should have". This was only because we have become accustomed to the pricing structure provided by far east manufacturing. Considering the quality of the product and being made here, I felt the price was very reasonable. I bought one, received over-the-top support from the owner of the company when it was damaged in shipping, and have been happy with the purchase.

We had a Quality product, made in the USA at a fair price. Now typical american consumer mentality has driven the manufacturing offshore.

I have never seen a vendor, making a quality product, receive so much unfounded criticism and animosity. These are the vendors we should support, not chastise that their product costs $40 more than people expect it to.

/Rant Off/

 

[BrianR]

We can complain about off-shore manufacturing all we want, but at the end of the day, we did it to ourselves. We have become too expensive to manufacture anything in this country anymore. Too much red tape, high taxes, and employment benefits, union dues, and on and on.

There is "NO" way the U.S. can compete with China, India, Vietnam and Taiwan when it comes to the final price of the products they produce.

Let's face it......what we have now is a "Global" economy and if the U.N. gets their way, we will have a "One World Order". Just when you thought things couldn't get worse, huh?

I would have bought a Hydraulink no matter where it was made, except I haven't had the money to yet.

 

[5030]

In closing for me at least, I'm not here to browbeat or demean these people.

I just stated the facts as they pertain to American Manufacturing, in as much as my company is in the manufacturing arena, competes on a worldwide basis and has always and will always continue to manufacture hard goods in this country made from domestic sourced materials with American workers.

We believe in American craftsmanship and have continuing pride in our products. As the CEO, I have never felt the need to offshore any product. In fact, if at some juncture I was so severely undercut by a competitor utilizing third world manufacturing, rather than succumb to the same tack, I would cease doing business.

But that's just me and my opinion, however, I'm the one who signs the paychecks and I'm the one who sets the precedents.

'nuff said on my part.

 

[lilranch2001]

Maybe for you. Not for me. Lets just say I'm in the manufacturing business making American made products with American raw materials and selling them worldwide and no, not tractor related but you will find me on 'Made in America', not was made in America and the off shored.

Of course I don't refuse to buy products made overseas, that would be ludicrous. However, to initiate a product here (as they did) and then move it offshore to insure continuing high profits, I have a problem with that.

I simply stated the ongoing scenario that is degrading not only our economy but our very existence as an industrial society.

Accept it for what it is and purchase at your own discretion.

You say you are not here to brow beat, but then you say the statement "to insure continuing high profits" how do you know he was making high profits? How do you know he was not just trying to accomodate all of you who critisized him at each juncture and try to do what he assumed his critics wanted of him and his product, loer prices>

Read this whole thread as I have, the guy seems to have done nothing but try to break into a market with a reasonable product that seems like a decent idea, based on the feed back from people who actually have purchased one, with a price break that may not be the cheapest, but at least it works.

 

[5030]

I read the entire, circuitous thread prior to making my first comment. It was apparent that their asking price initially was too high and sales suffered or should I say that they weren't up to their initial expectations so to placate their discerning customers they chose to move the manufacturing offshore and I presume (because I do manufacture a product so I'm intimately familiar with profit margins), no reduction in profit. If anything,, an increase in bottom line profit with a reduction in retail price because labor and materials are much cheaper.

Of course that is an assumption on my part, but then I don't believe the company is a non-profit company. They, like myself are profit motivated. That is what perpetuates business.

However, for them, the Chi-Com stigma apparently is of less importance than for me. I never want my discerning customers to feel that the products they purchase from me are made offshore because they aren't and I state that plainly up front.

You are, of course entitled to your opinion, just as I am. However, people with your opinion are contributing to the declining economy. Keep that in mind when you loose your job because your employer outsourced offshore for the sake of profit over American Made.

I know you live in a right to work state but that don't in any way relieve you from the responsibility of being pro Made in America.

 

[lilranch2001]

We get it, you are a big wig who manufactures, I think we have read that like 47 times so far.

Who are you to say he made "high profits"?


Has he let you look at his books?
Do you know what costs he had designing his product and bringing it to market.
Do you know how many partners he may have that has invested in his venture, and gets a piece of those "high profits"?
The answer is no to all of the above.

You are just an arrogant self rightious individual who likes to hear himself preach

 

[5030]

We get it, you are a big wig who manufactures, I think we have read that like 47 times so far.

Who are you to say he made "high profits"?


Has he let you look at his books?
Do you know what costs he had designing his product and bringing it to market.
Do you know how many partners he may have that has invested in his venture, and gets a piece of those "high profits"?
The answer is no to all of the above.

You are just an arrogant self rightious individual who likes to hear himself preach

Whatever.

Frankly, I don't care other than what I see occuring with the economy due to the lopsided trade agreements the current (and past) administrations have legislated.

Your kids are the ones who will reap the rewards of our efforts to lower the standards in this country and make it 'World Class'.

Enjoy it.

 

[Dargo]

I did and the product works as I have expected. Do I wish it was made in America? Sure. But they don't manufacture the product, just design it.

Does the fact that John Deere uses imported engines on their 3x20 series and that the 5000 & 6000 series tractors are imported from India and China get as much thread play as this, I don't think so.

If you don't like the product, don't buy it. I wanted it, bought it and am happy with it for what it does. Enough said.

What?! :laughing: Where did you get that information? One of my tractors is a JD 5525 (5000 series). Unless the state of Georgia defected to China, I don't know what you're talking about. According to the manufacturer plate on the tractor and TractorData.com, my JD was made in Augusta, GA. TractorData.com John Deere 5525 tractor information Can you show me on a map what part of China that is located in? Misinformation generally doesn't get much "thread play" here since misinformation is generally called out.

 

[herd]

It's not misinformation, a lot of the John Deere under 100 hp tractors are made in India and have Yanmar engines. I have a JD 5203 '06 model and it is made in India. You didn't say what year your 5525 is but chances are good that whatever is the 2011 version is now made in India.

Too bad but that is the way it is and probably the only way that the 5000 series utility tractors could be marketed at the price that makes them affordable and competitive with Kubota.

 

[Redneck in training]

. They want it cheap, good and fast and built here.

The problem is you can pick only three out the four.

 

[Dargo]

It's not misinformation, a lot of the John Deere under 100 hp tractors are made in India and have Yanmar engines. I have a JD 5203 '06 model and it is made in India. You didn't say what year your 5525 is but chances are good that whatever is the 2011 version is now made in India.

Too bad but that is the way it is and probably the only way that the 5000 series utility tractors could be marketed at the price that makes them affordable and competitive with Kubota.

Sorry, wrong answer again. Try just going to the factory's site. I had several JD tractors with Yanmar engines in them. They were great tractors. However, I'm relatively certain that no 100 hp tractors by JD have Yanmar engines. As far as the year of mine, that does NOT matter. Do yourself and just follow the link I posted and save yourself some embarrassment. Your tractor is an 'entry level' or 'price leader' JD tractor. Great tractor for the money like several others that are durable but are basically running on late 70's or early 80's technology. Again, no slam, sometimes plain Jane and simple fits better. There is quite a difference. Not to be rude, but go study up a bit. Obviously you're going to be surprised.

 

[herd]

Sorry, wrong answer again. Try just going to the factory's site. I had several JD tractors with Yanmar engines in them. They were great tractors. However, I'm relatively certain that no 100 hp tractors by JD have Yanmar engines. As far as the year of mine, that does NOT matter. Do yourself and just follow the link I posted and save yourself some embarrassment. Your tractor is an 'entry level' or 'price leader' JD tractor. Great tractor for the money like several others that are durable but are basically running on late 70's or early 80's technology. Again, no slam, sometimes plain Jane and simple fits better. There is quite a difference. Not to be rude, but go study up a bit. Obviously you're going to be surprised.

Nice link, good info, you are knowledgable and obviously well-read. I'll meet you half way, you are not rude and I am not embarrassed. Quite frankly, I have become way too mature to get upset over something (or some thing) said over the internet.

I wish all manufacturing of the products we buy were still done here in America, but we blew that a good while back when we became greedy and expected "everyday low prices at Wal-Mart' and high paying manufacturing jobs to sustain us.

 

[Redneck in training]

I was also considering the gas over hydraulic top link regardless where it is made. I liked the simplicity of the implementation. But I decided against it for another reason. It adjusts the length of the link only 6 in (CAT 1) even though the cylinder is twice as long. Therefore I will add two more remotes that I need anyway and buy regular T&T cylinders.

 

[Willl]

but we blew that a good while back

Don't give up now, were not done fighting, at least I'm not.

 

[Dargo]

I wish all manufacturing of the products we buy were still done here in America, but we blew that a good while back when we became greedy and expected "everyday low prices at Wal-Mart' and high paying manufacturing jobs to sustain us.

I think you know some guys on here are no longer playing with a full deck. As you indicated, over the internet, it's impossible to 'see' those. Being that I generally am behind and busy, but crave a break from the grind, I drop by here. I used to try to go out of my way to give long and detailed explanations as to why someone was incorrect but about half of the time I'd get replies back like "The guy who fixes my lawnmowers told me, so I know I'm right". :roll eyes: So, I apologize for being blunt. As you know, it could be a full time job for a couple dozen people spending all day correcting posts that contain misinformation; some of which is actually dangerous misinformation.

Like most here, I can't get by working for $50 a day. Also, China can produce quality products if that is what they are commissioned to do. If left to their own accord, it seems that they know price sells, and they produce the cheapest and poorest quality items possible. Our cost of living and high tax rates for those who do work hard have forced many of the manufacturing jobs out of our country. Notice I didn't say "overseas". Mexico is more than willing to do the work our people won't do for a price Americans wouldn't consider. A good example is a guy I know who dropped out of school at 16 years old. Somehow he managed to get a job with GM in Detroit and moved there. The last time I talked to him (last year), he said he'd rather sit on his couch and drink beer than work for less than 125k a year. I think you can see what's wrong with that picture and why companies who employ people like him are moving away from our borders.

 

[eternalwolf777]

John Deere's are manufactured in India... at least in part.

John Deere in India India Careers

Here's a company (US offices but owned by company in India) that builds hydraulic cylinders for JD.
Uniparts Group

And here's one of their plants http://www.deere.com/en_IN/about_us/india/jdepl/jdepl.html
Taken from the JD website "The factory currently produces modern tractors of 35, 38, 40, 41, 42, 45, 50, 55, 60, and 75 Hp capacities for domestic markets. Tractors manufactured in Sanaswadi are also exported to the USA, Mexico, Turkey, North and South Africa, and South East Asia. The company has received awards for export excellence in 2005 and 2006 from the Engineering Export Promotion Council."