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Just tried it. None found. Maybe no requirement that they fess up to what's in it?

Wikipedia's article on "fracking fluid" (Proppants and fracking fluids - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) states it's 98% water ... anybody believe that?

I do, that 2 Butyoxyethenol is what you are smelling in that fluid, Anything that is a Butyl ether will stink to high heaven and it don't take much of it. They say in the rest of the article that it degrades quickly in air, but underground... hmmm. Toxic levels at 20PPM and the odor detection level at .4PPM. Dont see any Phosgene gas though. As you may or may not know Phosgene was used in WWI on the battlefield, and has the Clorine atom in it. and can be made in our little home workshops by welding on some metal after spraying brake cleaner or any tricloro- type cleaner. Bad stuff. And the effects are usually permanent if you live over it.

James K0UA
 
/ Hydrofracing #106  
Out of curiosity, what industry are you in?
not to bore anyone I will attach a file that way if you are interested you can read it if not so be it. This way bird and catfish can get some ammunition against me.

I sure don't need any ammunition against you, since I'm not against you at all. I may have some opinions, but I'd be the first to admit that while I have a college education, it's not in anything related to this.:laughing: So I don't claim to know what problems, if any, have been caused by the gas drilling and fracing. Nor have I claimed that they have NOT caused some problems. I have only pointed out that passion and temper have led you to exaggerate so much that you hurt your own credibility and apparently cannot see that.

You see, what statement I can make with absolute certainty is that not everyone in that business is as bad as you apparently have decided they are. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the vast majority of them (as in most businesses) are just people trying to make a living and not wanting to cause anyone any problems. But are there some bad people in that business? Well, of course there are; just as there are some bad ones in any occupation or profession I can think of.
 
/ Hydrofracing #107  
We all know this can't be, H e l l its from the Bloomburg news agency for crying out loud, and according to anyone living in texas, Missouri, or anyone who is making a dollar, or has made a dollar from the gas industry, drinking a pint of gas byproducts a day are good for the gene pool, as the rest of us can clearly see!

Fracking?s Toll on Pets, Livestock Chills Farmers: Commentary - Bloomberg
 
/ Hydrofracing #108  
So Bloomberg says it's killing off livestock and pets. If it kills them, wouldn't it also kill off some people? How many of those animals had autopsies performed on them?

I certainly do not have the education or scientific background to either agree or disagree with the article. But for a strictly unscientific opinion, it appears ludicrous.:laughing:

I think I've mentioned already that the same battles about water well damage, unpleasant odors, and such are being fought in this area, too, but the killing of livestock and pets is one thing I haven't heard of those opposed claiming here yet. But I'll bet if they read that article, they will.:laughing:
 
/ Hydrofracing #109  
Landowner claims of monetary loss due to livestock drinking contaminated water in drilling pits have been around for as long as mud pits. And of course all of these claims are legitimate and tragic because only gas companies are bad people, certainly no landowners would lie, cheat and steal. (Note to reader, look for sarcasm in the last sentence. )
 
/ Hydrofracing #110  
Out of curiosity, what industry are you in?
not to bore anyone I will attach a file that way if you are interested you can read it if not so be it. This way bird and catfish can get some ammunition against me.
Computers. I currently work as a sysadmin, mainly Windows based, but some Linux (mainly CentOS and OpenWRT).
So, if I have a bad experience with someone who does solid modeling (or several people in that field), does that mean that I am justified in badmouthing everything that anyone in the industry does?
If someone has a computer arrive with a dead harddrive, are they justified in taking it out on every person who works in the computer industry?
That may not be what you intended when you wrote your posts, but what came across was "I have run into a few bad eggs in the oil/gas industry and so the whole industry is made up of such people"

I sure don't need any ammunition against you, since I'm not against you at all. I may have some opinions, but I'd be the first to admit that while I have a college education, it's not in anything related to this.:laughing: So I don't claim to know what problems, if any, have been caused by the gas drilling and fracing. Nor have I claimed that they have NOT caused some problems. I have only pointed out that passion and temper have led you to exaggerate so much that you hurt your own credibility and apparently cannot see that.
You see, what statement I can make with absolute certainty is that not everyone in that business is as bad as you apparently have decided they are. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that the vast majority of them (as in most businesses) are just people trying to make a living and not wanting to cause anyone any problems. But are there some bad people in that business? Well, of course there are; just as there are some bad ones in any occupation or profession I can think of.
My sentiments exactly.

Aaron Z
 
/ Hydrofracing #111  
it is amazing to me that the entire world is exaggerating and lying about what is going on except for the gas industry. what other industry sought for and got exemption from the EPA. Why are Pennsylvania inspectors forbidden to stop work without approval from the Harrisburg. We that are living in the area are told that we do not know what is going on while people being paid by the industry know all. What is in the fracking fluid that they are hiding and why do they misrepresent ( not lying mind you) about the amount of the mystery chemicals present. Last year we had a meeting at the fire hall with reps from the gas industry PA state police and the DCNR. The arguments from those on this forum that support the fracking are almost word for word what the spokesmen from the gas industry at the meeting said. Odd to me The highlight of the meeting was after we were told that the drivers always obeyed the speed limit and were courteous drivers. As we were leaving one came by, hauling A**. The troopers pulled him over while we were all cheering.
 
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Then he'll be nice & warm & thirsty /QUOTE]

Not really, gas line off the top of the water tank, waterline off the tank bottom.:thumbsup:
 
/ Hydrofracing #114  
I look forward to reading about you guys solar tractors.

I'm sure since you are against energy independence that you wouldn't be burning that nasty old diesel.
 
/ Hydrofracing #115  
it is amazing to me that the entire world is exaggerating and lying about what is going on except for the gas industry. what other industry sought for and got exemption from the EPA. Why are Pennsylvania inspectors forbidden to stop work without approval from the Harrisburg. We that are living in the area are told that we do not know what is going on while people being paid by the industry know all. What is in the fracking fluid that they are hiding and why do they misrepresent ( not lying mind you) about the amount of the mystery chemicals present.
Each company probbaly has their own recipe and they would prefer that the other companies not know what it is. Many states (NY and WY are two that I know of) require that the companies tell the department that regulates them what is in the mix, but they can request that it not be shared due to trade secrets.

Last year we had a meeting at the fire hall with reps from the gas industry PA state police and the DCNR. The arguments from those on this forum that support the fracking are almost word for word what the spokesmen from the gas industry at the meeting said. Odd to me
Are you accusing the posters on this thread of being paid off by the gas companies? Perhaps this happens because many on here think logically, have researched the subject and have come to similar conclusions as to what the truth is.
I personally dont work for any gas company. In fact, I have relatives that do QA (supplier procedural audits) for the Nuclear Power Industry.

The highlight of the meeting was after we were told that the drivers always obeyed the speed limit and were courteous drivers. As we were leaving one came by, hauling A**. The troopers pulled him over while we were all cheering.
Personally, if we were having issues with trucks from ANY company causing problems like you describe, I would do 4 things:
1. Get a dash camera like I posted the link to earlier
2. Get the number of the dispatch office, the how's my driving number, or whoever is in charge of the truckers) and set it as a speed dial in my phone (if worried about retaliation, pay cash for a prepaid phone and use that)
3. When I saw a truck driver misbehaving, I would note the time, date, plate number and location, the call the number from step 2 with that information
4. If I didn't see improvement, I would send my state representative and a local news station the list of the incidents informing them that I have video to back them up.

I would be surprised if the higher ups approve of the truck drivers running people off of the road, but the truck drivers are probbaly compensated by the mile driven or the tonnage hauled, so they are going as fast as they can.
The drivers probbaly also get chewed out/fined if there are enough complaints about their driving, so if people report the issues that they see, the truckers WILL slow down and be more careful.
If they have a similar meeting again, you can bring your event log and say, I have complained about truck x 5 times, but they are still running people off of the road. Here are the videos of the incidents.

As the old saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Aaron Z
 
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Egon I reading all of this and having a hoot trying to figure out where all the crap is being gererated from
I live in Ark. about 15 miles from the "earthquakes and gas flowing from the wells water contamination." Only one who don't own land are puishing this concept.
The earth quakes were occuring before the gas drilling showed up But when the deep water injection of water begin there was a small increase in the shakes. So wells were cemented and plugged not used quakes continued.
The leaking into the water zone near Quitmon Ark. reporters swarmed for pictures wet there britches in excitement then owner said it has been going on for 50 years. had capped the well and was using for his own needs. Seeco purchased the property to keep the false reporting from continuing.
The workers that have came in several attend our church when there not working. 16 hrs a day and every 2 weeks a couple of days off. I have met workers from Russia, Africia Europian countrys .As well from area states. Trucking companys keep trying to locate workers payment is 95 per hour to drive. Only problem have to pass the drug test.
Now the amount of money that is being spent in the state.
Before taxes my payment for the extracted gas no wells on the property. amounts to about 200 bucks per acre per month. Not bad for country land. Then the taxes 35% Fed. +10%State + the county perked up figured out needed to pay mineral tax on per acre basis not amount extracted.
This land has been leased by oil companys since the mid 1920's several wells for testing was done 50 years ago only just now needing the gas. The expected well use should be around 30 years.
I am for the gas Companys The trucking companys drive 25 MPH on gravel roads 45MPH on county roads and legal speed on state highway. Also if they get a neg. report on there driving talked to the 2nd warning there gone.
I've rambled but more people involved need to write whats going on.
Egon wasn't sending this to you only it was where the information was posted.
ken
 
/ Hydrofracing #117  
Yes I 100% believe that, and I have inside knowledge

Catfish man could this be called "Elephant snot " by the workers . Hear on the radio around the drill rigs a trucker requesting to come to head of line to get rid of his load .
Enjoy your accurate description of what is going on.
Have you noticed the faith people believe in wickepida reporting. (If 2 agree must be a fact)
ken
 
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Catfish man could this be called "Elephant snot " by the workers . Hear on the radio around the drill rigs a trucker requesting to come to head of line to get rid of his load .
Enjoy your accurate description of what is going on.
Have you noticed the faith people believe in wickepida reporting. (If 2 agree must be a fact)
ken

I have never heard it called that, but it's a good possibility, they have slang for everything. I'm never on location for the fracking. And sometimes different areas have different slang words for stuff.

Also I think there is a lot of misunderstanding of what is done with the fluid after the frack job. It is not simply left in the well or left in a pit somewhere on the property, all of the fluids used (mostly water) are recovered and transported to the next well and re-used over and over.

As far as the trucking goes, I'm currently on a rig in North Central West Virginia. We have a self imposed truck blackout during the morning hours when school buses are running and everyone is trying to get to work, and again in the afternoon hours. All trucks bigger than a pickup coming to the rig have to meet an escort truck at the interstate and be escorted into the rig.

The other day it was snowing, a truck was coming in, a jeep stopped and waited for the escort to pass, then continued. The truck driver choose to put his truck in the ditch to avoid hitting the young man in the jeep. Our roads were blocked for hours, because of this incident. It would have been a bad situation if emergency vehicles would have needed to get to our site.

I'm not saying that it is done everywhere like this, we are drilling for a major gas company. You would recognize the name if I named them. My point is, it works both ways.

I drive a half ton pickup and I have personally been put in the ditch more than once by locals close to a rig. I almost think some people are cruising the roads trying to get run off the road by a gas truck so they can profit from it.

Again I'm not making broad generalizations and saying that it is the same everywhere, some companies definitely make better neighbors than others.
I'm just speaking from personal experience.
 
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