Hydro's and brake pedals

[glc24]

That convinced me that the only thing this tractor will ever be good for is pulling floats in parades.

There was one in the showroom where we ordered our JD 2520..and that's the perfect place for it................a showroom

 

[buck12]

Deere seems to have that problem figured out, and when other tractors have hydro and the L/R brake pedals on the same side, they are indeed useless. Maybe it is a patent thing. But while I don't have a need to use the L/R brakes very often, when they are needed THEY ARE NEEDED.
4wd takes away a lot of situations where the left or right rear wheels don't need to be brake'd (stopped), but when one wheel loses traction it can be very helpful to be able to apply the brake to that wheel and force traction from the other one.
Clearly a design fault to me, when they are on the side of the forward reverse pedals.

Thanks to Deere, on this one.

Deere may have this figured out on their tractors but not their mowers. I have GT235 hydro and the brake is mounted above the hydro pedals (same side). I put the mower in my pond this summer when it would not back up the bank due to damp grass. I had my toe on the brake and was trying to use my heal on the reverse hydro pedal and my shoe caught the forward pedal causing the mower go forward and into the pond. So for all the discussion about hydro and the benefits on hills. I find my Mahindra gear drive safer on hills because the only thing my right foot has to do is operate the brakes.

 

[beenthere]

buck12
The GT235 garden tractor doesn't have right/left rear wheel individual brakes like are being discussed in this thread. Different animal altogether.

Sorry about your pond experience, but that sounds like an operator/weight/traction problem. Not design problem. IMO anyway.

Hope no damage to either operator or tractor from the pond ordeal.

 

[buck12]

buck12
The GT235 garden tractor doesn't have right/left rear wheel individual brakes like are being discussed in this thread. Different animal altogether.

Sorry about your pond experience, but that sounds like an operator/weight/traction problem. Not design problem. IMO anyway.

Hope no damage to either operator or tractor from the pond ordeal.

I understand a lawnmower doesn't have separate brakes. I have and use separate brakes on my tractor. I was only replying to the poster who said deere had this figured out yet this does not apply to all products they make. The only damage was blown gaskets on the little Brigg. $30 in parts plus three oil changes. I do agree it was operator error but the bad design (IMHO) certainly contributed to the problem. Why not put the brake (single pedal) on the other side of the mower.

 

[beenthere]

buck12
Better design would be flotation tanks along both sides.

 

[gwjd]

This is a good thread.

While we are on the topic of pedals, how about this.....My JD has a hand throttle and a foot throttle. I am horrible with the foot throttle. Every little bump I hit sort of rattles my foot on the pedal causing a jerking motion like to break my back.

Question....With these hydro pedals, are they easy to control or maintain speed when driving rough terrain.??

I solely use the hand throttle.

yes i think so i ran a trim mower f3060 kabota the methoud for our mowing speed was low range on the floor it was smooth then but runing over clumps was an issue in high range full speed to fast in the middle to chopy our l48tbl same deal, also kabotas rocker throtle is cumbersome and uncomfortable if your on it all day

jd wins with two o and when you need parts you can get them.

also id like to se some one run split brakes on a kabota in reverse need a 24" foot

 

[patrick_g]

I'm thinking about my 2nd tractor. I sold my BX and I'm thinking about a Feb. purchase of a new 30 to 35 HP compact. I had many occasions where the BX went where it wanted to go and not where I wanted it to go. I noticed that the brake pedals are in front of the hydro pedal on Kubotas. I'm thinking I want the pedals on the other side ? I want to ask some questions from owners here.

How do you use the individual brakes ?
Is this not important on the heavier tractors ?
Should I stop thinking about it ?

I tried the brakes individually when the tractor was new just to see what happened. The two pedals are mechanically linked together and I have never taken the connector off since. I don't need individual brakes and I do lots of different stuff. I hardly need brakes at all with my Kubota (40 hp) hydrostat. When I take my foot off the hydro pedal the tractor stops pretty fast in any of the 3 gear ranges but in mid range or low range the tractor is stopped or virtually so before I can get my foot on the brake. At least 90% of my brake pedal use is for setting the parking brake after I'm stopped. Except for the parking brake function, I wouldn't have to change operating procedures much at all if I had no brakes.

My brake pedals are on the same side as the hydro pedal and pretty close and conveniently located but if you aren't danged quick the tractor will be stopped before you can get your foot on the brake. I have had considerable experience with sports cars where heeling and toeing were de rigor. I can put my toe on my tractor brake pedal(s) and my heel on the hydro pedal with the same foot and operate each control independently but don't need to since letting up on the hydro pedal is mostly equivalent to putting on the brakes.

Methinks you are worrying about a non problem.

Pat

 

[Egon]

I can put my toe on my tractor brake pedal(s) and my heel on the hydro pedal with the same foot and operate each control

Now take into consider the foot sized challenged individual with a size seven!

Yesterdays snow storm had me out several times for a total of maybe five hours cleaning the driveway and mangling a trailer fender as the ground conditions were slippery.

The left side individual brakes were used consistently to maintain direction. Something I could not do with the Kubota B7100 HST.

 

[jenkinsph]

Deere may have this figured out on their tractors but not their mowers. I have GT235 hydro and the brake is mounted above the hydro pedals (same side). I put the mower in my pond this summer when it would not back up the bank due to damp grass. I had my toe on the brake and was trying to use my heal on the reverse hydro pedal and my shoe caught the forward pedal causing the mower go forward and into the pond. So for all the discussion about hydro and the benefits on hills. I find my Mahindra gear drive safer on hills because the only thing my right foot has to do is operate the brakes.

For sure that pedal setup on your GT235 was a poor design and Deere has dropped that. Even the 100 series (box store models) have the brake on the left and the forward reverse treddle on the right. Reverse on these 100 series is still a PITA to me, and eventually I will move up in class to eliminate this issue.

There really isn't much point in defending having the brakes and direction pedals or treadle on the same side, mulltiple pedals and one foot to use does not add up. Just a very poor design but I will say that some of the tractors that use this method do have a lot of other redeeming qualities though.

 

[MossRoad]

When I was shopping for new tractors back around 2000 this was one feature that steered me away from many models. Why, oh why, would anyone EVER want the brake pedals on the same side as the direction pedals? It makes absolutely no sense to me at all.