Hydro's and brake pedals

[RobertN]

when this was discusses a number of times before, I thought about the application on my B8200HST.

Newer CUT's(ie mid 70's to now) seem to be smaller. Many have power steering. Between those two, you have really good maneuverability, maneuverability that you did not have with an old 8N or other "CUT" in years gone by. I can totally out-maneuver my Dad's 9N with my B8200 without ever touching the brakes.

These newer CUT's were not made as row tractors. Every farmer I know that has row tractors needs to make a spin around turn at the end of the row when plowing or discing. But me, working my 5 acres, and mowing, I don't need to make the tight turn at the end of the row. And if I do, powersteering and maneuverability from size take care of that.

These newer tractors have 4wd too. From all my years around 4x4's, I think if you go stomping on the steering brakes while the front end is engaged, you're going to be stressing the front axle and drive line as it is drug around. Brake steering was great with a 2wd tractor, because when you drug the front end around it did not stress the gears ect in the axle, the driveline, and the transfercase portion of the transmission.

I know sometimes with the bucket down, the front end id light; I just lift the bucket a tad. And in that case I am probably in 4wd already, so I dont want to brake turn and mess up the 4wd drivetrain.

If I did not have 4wd, and powersteering, I would probably want to use brake steering now and then.

The brake steering on a CUT is leftover from history and 2wd. Some of these CUT's are still optional as 2wd. IF it was just a basic 2wd tractor, then it would probably be nice to have brake steering.

The addition of HST/Hydro makes it even easier, but I do not think that has an affect overall of use of the brake steering(except on my Kubota where it is good luck hitting the HST and one of the brake pedals...).

I've tried them on my tractor. With the manueverability, and 4wd, and powersteering, I just don't think it is as important any more. Not to say there are not times it would be nice, but it is not a necessity like on an old 1940's farm tractor.

IMHO, of course

 

[JB4310]

Well, we all know Orange rules the roost here at TBN.

So I guess this is as close as we can get to a little brand ribbing

I wonder if Kub has any intentions of rethinking this set-up.

The idea of controlling two different peddles in opposite directions with one foot doesn't sound like the answer to a poor design

JB.

 

[RobertN]

Well, this did start as a Kubota site 10+ years ago But, I do not think that is a factor in this.

In reality, you do not have steering brakes in your car, or truck. Woulda been nice to have steering brakes in the Jeep out 4-wheeling in the rocks.

It is almost like one poster mentioned JD having a hand clutch for years after the other manufacturers dropped them. Once in a while that would be nice too.

Based on my post above, even if I had a JD(actually thinking about it, going a size bigger than what I have now), If it a 4x4 with power steering, I would not need steering brakes. It is an ancient artifact of days gone by

Well, we all know Orange rules the roost here at TBN.

So I guess this is as close as we can get to a little brand ribbing

I wonder if Kub has any intentions of rethinking this set-up.

The idea of controlling two different peddles in opposite directions with one foot doesn't sound like the answer to a poor design

JB.

 

[dex3361]

Well, this did start as a Kubota site 10+ years ago But, I do not think that is a factor in this.

In reality, you do not have steering brakes in your car, or truck. Woulda been nice to have steering brakes in the Jeep out 4-wheeling in the rocks.

It is almost like one poster mentioned JD having a hand clutch for years after the other manufacturers dropped them. Once in a while that would be nice too.

Based on my post above, even if I had a JD(actually thinking about it, going a size bigger than what I have now), If it a 4x4 with power steering, I would not need steering brakes. It is an ancient artifact of days gone by

I have a Kubota L4400HST and I run it on the hills and the only time I have had to use the cutting brakes is when I was on a hill after the frost thawed and the top inch or so was mud and the front end would not hold the hillside and I could have used the Cruise control but I used my left foot to operate the brake and the right foot to operate the HST. I would not let which side the brakes are on be a deal breaker.

 

[patrick_g]

I see the HST and brakes on the same side seems to offend some of us who remark with incredulity how they just don't understand why anyone would want that. Check the stats. How many tractors are like that. Oodles of Kubotas. What percent of the operators feel it is a problem. I have never personally met an operator of a machine configured like that who had any negative comment to make. (NOTE: I have never personally met any of those on this site who are negative about it.)

So I guess us operators of the inefficient, poorly designed, and ergonomically retarded Kubotas are just some sort of manifestation of a lunatic fringe for whom ignorance is bliss. Well we may be blissful but I don't think in all cases it is due to ignorance, more likely due to greater than average satisfaction. Sure are a lot of us poor duped miscreants who have unwittingly fallen under the mesmerizing spell of the Kubota mystique.

I have no intent of ever trying to convince someone against their will that Kubota's arrangement is superior or even OK, I ,like thousands of others, will just continue to operate with great ease not unlike the bumblebee who is ignorant of the aerodynamic assumptions and equations that prove he can't sustain flight.

There is nothing anyone can say which will make me (or likely many others) appreciate their tractors any less because the HST is on the same side as the brake pedals. If I really needed to use the cutting brakes it would be a trivial matter to put my left foot on the right side of the cab on either the right or left brake pedal while leaving my right foot on the HST there being no need to access the clutch while driving. I only use the clutch to start the tractor and that only because there is a safety switch that prevents starting unless it is fully depressed.

Now lets worry ourselves about something actually important: Which end of the boiled egg do you crack open to eat it out of the shell with a spoon while it is held in an egg holder, the big end or the small end. (Reason for the war of the Lilliputians.)

Pat

 

[chevyman29]

people can say what they wont but its a fact if your doing row crop stlye farming turn brakes are a must theres no if and are buts about it . no matter how tight the turning radius is on the tractor turn brakes make all the difference whenever disking a field . and lets be for real here if your gonna be using them while farming doesnt it make more sence for them to be on the left ??

sure you can get by with them on the right but its a bad design. no need to defend a bad design out of brand loyality . thers things about my jd i dont like. i will never defend a poor design . that mind set of living with something just cause its a overall good machine eventually sinks a product line.

 

[patrick_g]

people can say what they wont but its a fact if your doing row crop stlye farming turn brakes are a must theres no if and are buts about it . no matter how tight the turning radius is on the tractor turn brakes make all the difference whenever disking a field . and lets be for real here if your gonna be using them while farming doesnt it make more sence for them to be on the left ??

sure you can get by with them on the right but its a bad design. no need to defend a bad design out of brand loyality . thers things about my jd i dont like. i will never defend a poor design . that mind set of living with something just cause its a overall good machine eventually sinks a product line.

I could care less about brand loyalty. I don't do row crops and neither does the majority of folks here. If you do row crops, then you are absolutely right in thinking brakes on the left with a hydrostat are a good idea. I wonder how many row croppers select hydrostat?

Pat

 

[jimmyj]

Patrick_g You sure make good points. I tried the cruise control and the two foot driving thing today. When I hit cruise the cruse turned off so that was a bust. And man, I'll never make a 2 foot driver. C'est la vie.

 

[RalphVa]

I've done spin turns on my 4010 with the brakes and steering wheel. Gotta be pretty good at it to do it consistently. I found it more comfortable to just skip a row and go to the 2nd one with the steering wheel. Can do a spin turn by hitting the brake on the turn towards where you're turning though. Not possible with hydro and brakes on same side.

Ralph

 

[jake98]

I haven't read through whole thread, but I can say I use the split brakes on the hydro all the time. I put my heel on the front of the treadle and my toe on the brake required. This is on Ford-1620, 1520 and NH-TC30.


Kyle

That's what I was hoping to hear. Now I have to unbolt mine and try it.