I need some help from a plumber

[tommu56]

And if burying a plastic line with my subsoiler will work, I'll go that route. That won't tear things up too bad, but of course it wouldn't be very deep either. And I'm worried if this might freeze in the winter.
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You could burry a 1 1/2" polyethelene well type pipe with your sub soiler and leave the check off at the pump and pitch it to drain back in to the tank so it would be empty or almost empty and only full when pumping.

If this type pipe freezes it will expand and not breake like rigid pipes.
tom

 

[Freds]

You could burry a 1 1/2" polyethelene well type pipe with your sub soiler and leave the check off at the pump and pitch it to drain back in to the tank so it would be empty or almost empty and only full when pumping.

If this type pipe freezes it will expand and not breake like rigid pipes.
tom

That's what I was thinking, but running pipe on a pitch makes me nervous. Especially if just sinking it down a foot with my subsoiler. Immpossible to tell if it's on a pitch unless you are on ground that runs downhill.
Do you think the pump would blow it out and remove the liquids when removed from the tank?

 

[cowboy357]

Like I had said Freds in My previous post I wasn,t sure it was the best idea or would work for You I Recon it depends on the usage of it . Theres just the wife & I so the usage is more water then solids & only had to pump the tank once in 10 years .

I was just sharing what worked for Us for over a year & a half & also had no issues during the winter months You just have to plan around the weather around here theres very few times it will stay below feezing for more then about 5 days in a row.

As far as not using the garden hose , Thats Fine if others dont think You can or should , But I did & had no problems . I,m not one to hire things done or just throw money at things I can eventually fix Myself like most folks Which I eventually did do it right at a very small cost . I just do what I have to do to get by as We can afford it .

I also have a 40x60 building a couple of hundred feet that I built & it has an apartment in it More like a game room that has a toilet , shower & kitchen in it . I ran the 4inch sewar plumbing outside about 6 foot to an Enclosed underground insulated box that holds a sewer pump ( Grinder ) that pumps uphill to Our septic tank through a 2 inch buryed plastic pipe . That could be another option & Trenching the line for that wasn,t very intrusive to the property as I just Rented a little ditchwitch trenger 4 inch I believe .

Total cost for that was around 1100 bucks if I remember right & Included the Rental of the trencher , Pump & Pump enclosure , all the pipe necesary valves , Concrete & insulation . I did it by myself in 2 days .

Just some more thoughts on a posable solution to Your problem. Now I cant wait for someone to say You cant pump Sewage uphill . Best of luck Bob .

 

[tommu56]

That's what I was thinking, but running pipe on a pitch makes me nervous. Especially if just sinking it down a foot with my subsoiler. Immpossible to tell if it's on a pitch unless you are on ground that runs downhill.
Do you think the pump would blow it out and remove the liquids when removed from the tank?

If on an undetermined schedule from city I would put it in semi permanently.
Leave pump in tank plug it in at the house when you need it.
Leave it all hooked up and out of site except for cord coiled up in a planter set near your tank to disguise it.

And I know it's hard but train the family to wait for the toilet to stop flushing every one has better things to do. they just have to make sure their flapper is seated (Ill admit mine wont do it but you have to try)
Have them help you once with the disgusting job and they might see it in a different light


tom

 

[Dutch445]

Freds,
I don't think sewage freezes, most leach fields up here in NY aren't
that deep in the ground, and some rely on evaporation as well
as seepage into the ground.
I wonder if there is a concern about pumping a large quantity
all at once into the working system. I would think it would be
best to send the sewage in small amounts so not to tax and
over use that system and cause a failure there. ???
also, FIX THAT TOILET! immediately. you can't afford to have
that kind of extra wasted water usage when you are on limited
septic services.
good luck, and maybe you can start to pressure the town
for the city sewar line.

 

[Freds]

lol, I know you can pump sewage uphill. You should see where my buddy has to pump his to. it looks to be about a 45* angle. He lowered the ditch witch down the hill using a rope .

The simplest solution with the least intrusion on the land and something that I'll be happy with three years from now (if need be) is what I'm going for. That's what makes my decision so difficult. I do think I'll go with the buried well pipe as that will be one less thing to monkey with in winter. That is, if I can somehow clear the line out.

I also need to get that cover off today and see how much, if any, the level has gone down.

 

[Freds]

Yeah, somewhere in the back of my mind I was thinking that sewage didn't freeze either. It would be nice to know for sure.

 

[Egon]

Yeah, somewhere in the back of my mind I was thinking that sewage didn't freeze either. It would be nice to know for sure.

Do not fear; Sewage in a line expose to freezing temperatures will freeze!

 

[Highbeam]

I am certain that you can freeze sewage.

You are much better off allowing the septic tank to seperate the sludge and scum from the sewage and then hooking your pump up to the septic tank outlet. The outlet will be relatively clear water and you can pump it using a transfer pump instead of a grinder pump. They call this a Septic Tank Effluent Pump or STEP system.

You can buy a residential packaged grinder pump with its own sump for 2-3000$ that is designed to take the 4" line from the house and then pump it out to somewhere else through 1.5" line. That "somewhere else" can be your other septic tank or it can be the sewer line once the city gets it done. It won't be wasted money.

Your drainfield for the business is sized for the business. It will be overloaded and maybe destroyed by overloading it with your house waste. Don't get hung up on yard disturbance. Many yards have been completely trashed trying to deal with a septic problem.

First things first. Get the tank pumped and looked over by a qualified guy. Have your drainfield also inspected. You want to avoid allowing your health department discovering that your system has failed since they will red-tag your house if they find out about surfacing sewage. Chances are there is a quick fix to deal with the bad drainfield but keep it quiet.

 

[tommu56]

lol, I know you can pump sewage uphill. You should see where my buddy has to pump his to. it looks to be about a 45* angle. He lowered the ditch witch down the hill using a rope .

The simplest solution with the least intrusion on the land and something that I'll be happy with three years from now (if need be) is what I'm going for. That's what makes my decision so difficult. I do think I'll go with the buried well pipe as that will be one less thing to monkey with in winter. That is, if I can somehow clear the line out.

I also need to get that cover off today and see how much, if any, the level has gone down.

just plumb it so you can use a compressor like pool lines.

tom