Idiots and winter driving

[coobie]

And the HITS just keep on coming.Another 37 car pileup with 12 injured on I-75 near holly Michigan.Bash-em & crash-em..

 

[two_bit_score]

People here in Wi use the road near me as a speedway even if you car has good tires and breaks you can't drive 70mph in snow!!!!!!.

And neither breaks or brakes do much good on ice and snow! :laughing:

 

[Garandman]

I And you call me a jerk? Lol after a deer ran into my bike, multiple dodging of ratcoons and other critters and getting tired of jack azzes cutting me off or merging into the lane I'm cruising in, I bought loud pipes off Craigslist and had the bike rejetted for the pipes, best money I ever spent on my bike.

Every time you hear loud pipes you should be thankful you know where that cyclist is because bikes are hard to see for people I guess, I make sure I'm herd (sic) first.

This is an example of the mentality that causes so much resentment towards motorcyclists.

First of all, the noise from open pipes is only when the rider is on the gas, and almost entirely behind the rider. Most hazards are in front of you: the Hurt Report stated over half of all multi vehicle crashes are left turners, and loud pipes are no help there.

Second, the noise might help you, but add a second loud bike, and everyone is worse off: no one else can hear a thing. And if you're on a normal bike, your presence is masked by a loud bike, or car, or truck.

Third, there are motorcycle safety studies that demonstrate the effectiveness of DRLs, high viz clothing, light colored helmets, full face helmets, ABS, and rider training. There are zero safety studies, anywhere, ever, that demonstrate that "loud" pipes enhance safety, for all the reasons stated above: directionality, sound pressure, etc. If you know of one, disabuse me.

Face it, the real reason for loyd pipes is vanity: "Look at meeee!"

 

[Garandman]

Subaru on Subarus violence. Notice the guy opens the door and puts his foot down: the Fred Flintstone approach! :laughing:

 

[aczlan]

This is an example of the mentality that causes so much resentment towards motorcyclists.

First of all, the noise from open pipes is only when the rider is on the gas, and almost entirely behind the rider. Most hazards are in front of you: the Hurt Report stated over half of all multi vehicle crashes are left turners, and loud pipes are no help there.

Second, the noise might help you, but add a second loud bike, and everyone is worse off: no one else can hear a thing. And if you're on a normal bike, your presence is masked by a loud bike, or car, or truck.

Third, there are motorcycle safety studies that demonstrate the effectiveness of DRLs, high viz clothing, light colored helmets, full face helmets, ABS, and rider training. There are zero safety studies, anywhere, ever, that demonstrate that "loud" pipes enhance safety, for all the reasons stated above: directionality, sound pressure, etc. If you know of one, disabuse me.

Face it, the real reason for loyd pipes is vanity: "Look at meeee!"

This^

Subaru on Subarus violence. Notice the guy opens the door and puts his foot down: the Fred Flintstone approach! :laughing:

Should have been going slower and should have kept following the truck. Also, was their ABS disabled? It looks like all 4 tires locked up.

Aaron Z

 

[downsizingnow48]

This is an example of the mentality that causes so much resentment towards motorcyclists.

First of all, the noise from open pipes is only when the rider is on the gas, and almost entirely behind the rider. Most hazards are in front of you: the Hurt Report stated over half of all multi vehicle crashes are left turners, and loud pipes are no help there.

Second, the noise might help you, but add a second loud bike, and everyone is worse off: no one else can hear a thing. And if you're on a normal bike, your presence is masked by a loud bike, or car, or truck.

Third, there are motorcycle safety studies that demonstrate the effectiveness of DRLs, high viz clothing, light colored helmets, full face helmets, ABS, and rider training. There are zero safety studies, anywhere, ever, that demonstrate that "loud" pipes enhance safety, for all the reasons stated above: directionality, sound pressure, etc. If you know of one, disabuse me.

Face it, the real reason for loyd pipes is vanity: "Look at meeee!"

exactly. totally right.

 

[powerscol]

And all he had to do is get off the breaks and steer - could have avoided it.

 

[buickanddeere]

Sorry Cobber but you're beginning to lose it... especially when you make the claim highlighted above. Egon lives in Nova Scotia and gets just as intense weather as you do with your 'lake effect' snow.

As to your last sentence? C'mon. Someone putting their hazard lights (not 'emergency lights') on to warn others is a courtesy to others. I'd rather they warn me that they're purposely going slower under whatever circumstances they've encountered.

Here's another scenario that will happen here in a week or so. It's haying season and I'll be helping out, with my tractor, to bring it in. It's also prime tourist season and there are a lot of them about, taking in the beauty of this place. When I move between paddocks onto a public road, I will have my "blinkies" on, and my amber rotating 'whoop-whoop' light on, PLUS two SMV reflective triangles displayed (one behind my seat and my ballast box has one). The speed limit will be 60kph in that area. Am I wrong?

Later on I'll need to access a different set of paddocks that are 7kms away and to get there I'll need to travel on a 100kph 2-lane highway. I'll again have all of my lights flashing and rotating, whilst pulling over to let traffic behind me pass when it's safe to do so. Am I wrong?

Most of this will be during daylight hours but, if rain is expected, I'll be doing this a night too. Is this enough of an "excuse for flashing bright lights in other driver's eyes"?

There is a following somebody in a snowstorm for miles with their irritating fourways flashing no matter what the speed. Flashing lights on a slow moving farm equipment for half a minute in clear weather is another.

 

[buickanddeere]

This seems like a great reason to run my flashers every chance I get this year! I don't run them often but I just may now. They are my flashers I'll run them when I think I need to!

I generally run them when I pull a trailer and dumb people don't pass unless I do. Broad daylight, no snow in the middle of summer. Flashers say go around or get off my tail I'm going slower idiot!

All together different than following somebody in a snowstorm with their four way flashers on.

 

[buickanddeere]

And the HITS just keep on coming.Another 37 car pileup with 12 injured on I-75 near holly Michigan.Bash-em & crash-em..

Just think if everybody had their four way flashers on the wrecks would never have happened.

 

[buickanddeere]

Subaru on Subarus violence. Notice the guy opens the door and puts his foot down: the Fred Flintstone approach! :laughing:

Too fast, summer or all season tires and lousy driving technique. If they had not locked up and kept rolling they probably would have made the corner without incident.
Of course the wreck could have been totally avoided if the driver had the four way flashers going.

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

Do you tweak the throttle when stopped to make sure it's still running.

Lmao no but I know a guy who does and just laugh at him lol, my bike is a Suzuki c50, no need to worry it's going to die when I stop at lights or whatever.

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

Here we go with the loud pipes saves lives BS..
Been riding bikes since the early 70's and never fell for that one.
I like my bikes quiet. Way to many of those annoyingly loud bikes on the road around here IMO.

Ever since I got loud pipes I have never once dodged a little critter, I see deer running the other direction when I'm running threw the hills around corners and in heavy traffic I don't get cut off as much, happens once or twice a week now not everyday or multiple times a day.

You can say what you want all day long and I will stick to my reasons. I don't prefer riding a loud bike but your a fool if you say it's not safer.

I can say from personal experience driving on the highway, I have heard bikes before I saw them because they were in my blind spot and was passing me, I could have easily cut a few off myself.

 

[Wagtail]

There is a following somebody in a snowstorm for miles with their irritating fourways flashing no matter what the speed. Flashing lights on a slow moving farm equipment for half a minute in clear weather is another.

You keep sticking to this one scenario (and yes, I've read your following 3-4 posts). We get it; constantly 'on' hazard lights irritate you to apoplectic heights.

However, you are consistently changing the goal-posts of provided examples to suit your own 'position'. "half a minute" to go 500 metres (let alone 5-7kms) is ridiculous.

Here's another scenario... actually, it's a true story that happened to me many years ago. I was driving in upper-state Maine, on my way to Nova Scotia. It was night and there was heavy to medium fog. My headlights were on low beam, no hazards and there was a vehicle about half a mile ahead of me.

Suddenly, the vehicle ahead puts their hazards 'on'. They're still moving, so I become even more alert as to 'why'. The short story is that there was a moose on the 2-lane highway... scared the crap out of me 'cause all I saw of it was four spindly legs & its underbelly.

Had that conscientious and courteous driver ahead of me not put their hazard lights on to warn me, half a mile behind him, I shudder to think what the consequences for me could've been.

 

[2ndhalf]

And all he had to do is get off the breaks and steer - could have avoided it.

Yep, I agree he panicked and didn't drive out of his slide. He has a Subaru and you could tell when the wheels were spinning he had control.. when the wheels stopped he lost control.

I think having a two wheel drive quad in the winter really helps you become a better driver in the winter. I had a quad that I did a lot of driving in the snow and just in general and and I think it made me a better driver. I was in my car and had to pass a car in the ditch as I came over a hill and it was stopped on slick roads. I didn't have time to stop so I just steered around her in the ditch just like I would have if I were on a quad.

At least one of the vehicles he slid into was a subaru, the other looked like a Volvo. Both are supposed to be safe vehicles but only in the hands of an experienced driver who doesn't panic.

I can tell you from having several Subaru's that you often don't know just how slick it is because they do so well... until you have to take a curve or stop.

 

[RoyJackson]

... but the most important thing is to slow down, keep the wheels straight and don't hit the brakes in snow. Baby them.

I normally drop down a gear or two and let the engine do most of the braking...

 

[RoyJackson]

I never said anything about a 4x4 being a handicap.

Only time 4WD is a handicap is when less experienced 4x4 drivers get over confident.

I've always been of the opinion I have 4WD vehicles to get me home...if conditions are bad...that's what vacation days and telephones are for.

 

[downsizingnow48]

your a fool if you say it's not safer.

Growing up in the San Fernando Valley most the guys had loud cars and/or loud bikes. We knew exactly why we liked it. I guarantee it did not have anything to do with road safety. We did not feel like we needed a cover story.

 

[DK35vince]

I don't prefer riding a loud bike but your a fool if you say it's not safer.

I must be a fool then, because I personally have yet to see any proof of that being true.

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

I must be a fool then, because I personally have yet to see any proof of that being true.

Ride with both and see for yourself, two conditions

1. Hilly windy country roads at night.

2. Day time and night time is moderate to heavy traffic not riding aggressively.

After a few hours of riding in both, anyone will be able to see louder pipes are safer, that's why I ride with them.