If you're causcasian you're in big trouble

TresCrows · Jun 27, 2002

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"The US is only responsible for the US", yeah, I agree, I wish the rest of the world did also. Apparently Koffee and the UN think we should pay for everything as does much of the world and since it is also apparently our fault no matter what happens such that state trained Islamic kamakazi pilots feel the need to knock our buildings over--I will again stick with what I said. Only the USA has the power to defend our Western Civilization and since you insist, then Canada is welcome to defend her own as I am certainly tired of paying for the entire ungrateful world. Let's point out that some of the terrosist entered this country via Canada and little has been done to provide assistence to the USA in that regard, something some of us have taken note of. On the other hand, Canada and Britain have always been good friends and we have had an open border arrangement for many years but there is a saying that I like, good fences make good neighbors and maybe it is time for a fence so to speak.
Knight, I will not respond any further to you in this thread, have a nice day, how's the tractor? J

Chuck52 · Jun 27, 2002

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Patrick,

Someone would have to be pretty far into the conspiracy theory fringe to turn your succinct outline into an embryonic **** police state instrument. 

I had decided to drop out of this particular discussion as it was clear it was going no where of importance to me. However, as the above line, and your earlier reply to one of my posts indicate, you seem to think I'm worried about a law declaring Engliish as our official language being the beginning of the slippery slope leading to a police state! I'm not into debate, and I don't remember my old logic courses well enough to recall the exact name of this particular tactic, but I did not say that; I did not mean that; I didn't even think of it until you brought it up. Now, of course, you have planted the idea in my lunatic fringe mind! I can see it now! This law will prevent any Spanish speakers from spreading the truth about Roswell!

Chuck

DaleW · Jun 27, 2002

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This is an Editorial written by an American citizen, published in a local
Newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he.

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans.
However,
the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politicallycorrect"
crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge againstanyone who
is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently
some born here, need to understand.This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.This culture has been developed over
centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak
ENGLISH, not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language.Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!
"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly
documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture. If Stars
and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture
and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle.Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But, once you are done
complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

Addendum:
This fits just right. It seems so ludicrous that our government, which is we the taxpayers, spends so much money to have telephones at government
offices answered "press one to continue in English and press 2 for another language." Like the credit card machines in our largest "made in America"department store, Walmart, first question: English or Spanish?. One must press a button to operate the machine.

Anonymous Poster · Jun 27, 2002

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Dashel overriding the Consititution? You got to be blind! George Bush is more of a threat to this country's Constitution than anyone else has been in a long, long time. How about snagging up suspected U.S. terrorists and imprisoning them without legal counsel, or being charged with a crime. Like the governement said, "We just want to question him". Well....Doesn't he have the right to remain silent? I do not defend terrorism.....but I think it's wrong to violate the constitution in order to protect it!

rocky2 · Jun 27, 2002

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The revelation that an American was involved with Afghanistan's Taliban regime has sparked much debate on the issue of treason. While the U.S. federal government has never executed someone convicted of treason, the U.S. has tried about 30 treason cases in the nation's history.
The Constitution defines treason in article III, section 3 as:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
The framers of the Constitution added that in order for someone to be convicted of treason, two witnesses must testify to that fact or the accused must confess. Congress has the power to decide the punishment for a convicted traitor.
The revelation that an American was involved with Afghanistan's Taliban regime has sparked much debate on the issue of treason. While the U.S. federal government has never executed someone convicted of treason, the U.S. has tried about 30 treason cases in the nation's history.

The Constitution defines treason in article III, section 3 as:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
The framers of the Constitution added that in order for someone to be convicted of treason, two witnesses must testify to that fact or the accused must confess. Congress has the power to decide the punishment for a convicted traitor.
And as for Mr. Das-hole, perhaps I'm being a bit too harsh on the wannabe Warlord from the country of South Dashelota.

tdenny · Jun 27, 2002

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rmorgan,

"Ten percent of the U.S. population owns 81.8 percent of the real estate, 81.2 percent of the stock, and 88 percent of the bonds.Ten percent of American households own 72 percent of the total wealth".

"One percent of the U.S. population owns sixty percent of the stock and forty percent of the total wealth. Two percent of U.S. wealth holders own 54 percent of all net financial assets; more than half of families had no financial assets, or owe more than they own."

Yeah - this is true - out here we call it capitalism. I think you'll find those type of inequities in ALL non socialist countries. Perhaps we should go the route of the NFL and institute a salary cap in order to level the playing field.


However, many are blocked by lack of access to learning resources, and it is pretty darn hard for me to understand why having multilingual signs or educational programs threatens my "majority" status.


I don't feel threatened but I'd like to know How are these folks "blocked" from access to learning resources? I'm curious. I believe anyone can go to the nearest community college and sign up, pay the tuition, and attend a basic English class just like I could. I might be wrong here as I was in college a while ago.

Why should I have to pay for multilingual signs or educational programs? You know how much the governement charges people for those signs.

I cannot believe that I have to choose which language I want to use when using the local cash machine. When I was in Europe last year - I didn't see multiple languages offered on the "tube" or at cash machines. There exists a much larger melting pot over there than there exists here. In those countries they simply have their national language and that is just that THEIR national language. If you want to come, visit, live, etc then you'll need to learn it. Seems fair.

Respectfully,

rocky2 · Jun 27, 2002

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Some of our favorite lil South Dakota Socialist things:
The crux of this thread;
Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD) announced his legislation to grant 245(i) amnesty to illegal aliens, which is co-sponsored by Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA), chairman of the subcommittee on
immigration for the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Due to Sen. Daschles ongoing obstructionism, there is a Senate delay in action over the House-approved Immigration Reform & Accountability Act (H.R. 3231). Obviously, enacting
amnesty for illegal aliens and opening the doors for more potential terrorists and criminals are higher priorities for Sen. Daschle.

Mr. Daschle Won't Guard U.S. Sovereignty ;
The House Appropriations Committee had tacked on to the defense appropriations bill a measure that writes into law President Bush's rejection of U.S. participation in the ICC, with all its assaults on U.S. sovereignty.
Daschle said. "We will come right back and offer IMF and U.N. funding resolutions and legislation. We'll get this cranked-up all over again very quickly. So this isn't the end, but it is the end of that particular bill" .

Daschle won't/wouldn’t "allow";
presidential judicial nomination votes
Stimulus package votes
Votes to produce live witness in the Impeachment hearings

In regards to the “detained” spoken of, to the Socialist Majority Leader Thomas Daschle’s credit…
he said Congress was "able to find what I think is the appropriate balance between protecting civil
liberties, privacy, and ensuring that law, enforcement has the tools to do what it must."
Oh, by the way, since Clinton News Network didn't mention it...Al still lost Florida.

Knight9 · Jun 27, 2002

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Let's point out that some of the terrosist entered this country via Canada and little has been done to provide assistence to the USA in that regard, something some of us have taken note of. 
Canada certainly has immigration issues, as does the US, Great Britain, etc. I sincerely hope that Canada and the US both clean up their act in this area. We would all like to see that.

Kevin

rmorgan · Jun 27, 2002

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TD--

Enjoyed your comments. I wasn't holding out any of the statistics I found as being bad things. Quite the contrary; I am a firmly-entrenched and gleefully-participatory capitalist, and quite pleased about it, thank you very much!! I was simply saying, apropos the title of the thread, that white Americans are hardly an engangered species, whether they remain a census majority or not. As to my learning resource comment, one of the early posts discussed the wisdom and/or disgustingness, as the poster saw it, of bilingual classroom education. If somebody can't understand the language in class, they can't learn; pretty elementary, I would have thought. As to having to learn the language when we go elsewhere, I have found signs in English in Thailand, Turkey, and Indonesia, among other places; if those governments can afford the extra letters, I'm guessing we can to!! English is becoming the worldwide lingua franca, which will eventually be a good thing; in the meantime, I still don't see the harm in working to ensure that everybody's boat gets a little float.

tdenny · Jun 27, 2002

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rmorgan,

I enjoyed your comments as well. Hopefully I didn't come across as too much of #$%^ you fill in the blank. I'm also glad to hear that you are a "gleefully-participatory capitalist." I must have misunderstood I thought you were guided us towards a happier lifestyle where all the wealth would be evenly spread for the good of the masses. My mistake.

My own experience with regards to language belies to a couple of trips I had in South America. I spent 3 weeks in Uruguay a couple of years ago and nobody (I mean nobody) spoke a lick of English. We where able to make due because of the friendliness of the locals and because we had a very talented Spanish/Portugese speaking peer. I immediately purchased a Spanish/English book as I took a lot of opportunities to wander out alone. This didn't help much but I left the country wishing I had taken spanish (instead of French) in high school and vowing to learn spanish as soon as possible. I still haven't done that but I also do not travel as much as I used to. The point of this lengthy iteration is that I would have learned Spanish immediately if I were to move there.