I'm not the only dummy

[Sberry]

You should have a local hydraulics shop that can rebuild those cylinders faster than you can get some things mailed to you. Shouldn't be too expensive

On this planet?

 

[Fixastuff]

What did the Kioti dealer say when you asked for the specs on the loader cylinders so you could try to get them cheaper elsewhere?

 

[CADplans]

What did the Kioti dealer say when you asked for the specs on the loader cylinders so you could try to get them cheaper elsewhere?

Why would the dealer even have the specs of the cylinder?

They have the part number, and the price.

If I wanted to replace a steel hydraulic line, I would not expect the dealer to be able to tell me the total length, and the location and angles of the bends,,
Again, they would have the part# and price,,,

 

[Fixastuff]

Why would the dealer even have the specs of the cylinder?

They have the part number, and the price.

If I wanted to replace a steel hydraulic line, I would not expect the dealer to be able to tell me the total length, and the location and angles of the bends,,
Again, they would have the part# and price,,,

Na, if the service or parts manual doesn't list the specs, just tell them to get a tech to grab a new tractor off the line remove a cylinder measure everything then put it back together then give you the numbers

 

[Fixastuff]

I'm pretty sure I can replicate the performance for far less. I just need to know the specs.

If you get a workshop manual it might have what you need in it. My excavator one does.
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[KiotiKowboy]

OK ... I am now un-suspended from my crime of making a joke about the current joke. So ....

To the delight of several, my attempts to substitute the cylinders has failed. I got really close but just not able to find my comfort level.

A few have mentioned shop manuals and dealer info. I have the manuals and they do not provide the detail. The dealer was no better. I suspect the information is easily available if a dealer really wanted to make the inquiry ... but cest la vie.

Rather than spend just shy of $1300 for the cylinders, I ordered new rods and seal kits. After taking these things apart, I don't see the rocket science in doing this myself. With luck, I'll have the parts in 10 days.

If I run into any further issues, I'll update.

Thanks to everyone for participating

 

[CADplans]

Rather than spend just shy of $1300 for the cylinders, I ordered new rods and seal kits.
If I run into any further issues, I'll update.
Thanks to everyone for participating

How much $,$$$ for the parts??
I have never found rods as a part for any cylinder that I have owned,,

Great find!!

 

[Michael In Tennessee]

Interesting you can get rods. Rebuilding is not rocket science (and I'm a rocket scientist). Perhaps tedious to get some of the stiffer seals in place, but not hard.

 

[KiotiKowboy]

Rods were $210 each and seal kits were $75 each. It doesn't "look" complicated - LOL - We'll see. If anyone has a link to a good video on assembly, please pass it along,

 

[Michael In Tennessee]

There are about 4 different ways to secure the gland in the end of the cylinder. We'd need pics to know which one you got. If you can leave the far end installed on the tractor any heavy wrenching will be easier. You might need to find an appropriate pin spanner too.

 

[lostcause]

This thread reminds me that I've had a set of those tools on my ebay watchlist for almost a year to fold the seals up to get them inside the gland when rebuilding cylinders... probably should buy them, cause if not i'm guaranteed to have a cylinder issue soon.

 

[KiotiKowboy]

Status Update:

Received all the parts rods/seals from the Kioti dealer. Went to put it all together only to discover the seal kits were missing pieces. Rather than reorder and hope the next set was correct, I picked up the missing seals from Hyspeco ... $45.

Spent about 2 hours reassembling and installing the cylinders. Checked for leaks and full function. Good to go!

Observations:

1. This is not a difficult process. I am left wondering how a shop can charge soooooo much to rebuild a cylinder.
2. When disassembling, take pics along the way. Note the direction parts install and the direction seals mount.

 

[beowulf]

I recently bought an additional 20 acres I didn't really want - lol. The previous owner bulldozed every single tree into massive piles of trees/rocks/dirt. Trying to break these piles apart to deal with them. Not sure if I just got onto something too heavy ... or I may have been back-dragging a tree out of the mud.

I popped a hose twice - both times back dragging at a severe angle.

 

[Doughknob]

Be careful when ordering from Tractor Supply (or anyone else).
I ordered a culvert from them. They took my money and charged my card.
They had no culvert to sell. Somehow this is legal and they aren’t arrested.
They sent me a notice: “Your item has shipped to store.” This was a lie. Somehow “has shipped to store.” means the supplier has filled out some paperwork that item WILL be, or might be shipped to store….but maybe not. I gave them over a month, shipping tracking info shows nothing has been picked up, anywhere.

Their supplier has no culverts that can be shipped to any store and doesn’t know when they will get any. (Again, how is this legal? If I sold you a ‘69 Ford Mustang on Facebook, took your money, said “I don’t have a Mustang, and I don’t know when I ever will.” Shouldn’t I be arrested? Remember: “Corporations are people my friend”.)
I no longer would order from Tractor Supply or accept their word unless you see the item in the store. They will take your money and sell you an item they don’t t have, and can’t get.

Yeah i doubt this. And if it did happen, i believe they would issue a refund if u asked. U can’t just pitch a fit. Mistakes are made. Ask nicely and people respond in kind. I like tractor supply and have never had a problem with them.

 

[KiotiKowboy]

I popped a hose twice - both times back dragging at a severe angle.

I've still got to go back and finish those debris piles. Hoping I don't have a repeat performance - lol.

 

[CADplans]

I've still got to go back and finish those debris piles. Hoping I don't have a repeat performance - lol.

Now that you have learned how stress can damage a cylinder,,
you will next have to learn what angle to rotate the bucket to so that there is little force on those cylinders.

I can press a brush pile with the bucket and only apply 10% of the force on the cylinder,,
or I can rotate the bucket, and apply 500% of the force on the cylinder.

so,, you now see,, the force is all in the geometry.

Did you do well in your Geometry class?? You need it ,, NOW!!

 

[4570Man]

Status Update:

Received all the parts rods/seals from the Kioti dealer. Went to put it all together only to discover the seal kits were missing pieces. Rather than reorder and hope the next set was correct, I picked up the missing seals from Hyspeco ... $45.

Spent about 2 hours reassembling and installing the cylinders. Checked for leaks and full function. Good to go!

Observations:

1. This is not a difficult process. I am left wondering how a shop can charge soooooo much to rebuild a cylinder.
2. When disassembling, take pics along the way. Note the direction parts install and the direction seals mount.

Some cylinders are difficult to dissemble but besides that they’re pretty easy to rebuild.

 

[Michael In Tennessee]

Status Update:

Received all the parts rods/seals from the Kioti dealer. Went to put it all together only to discover the seal kits were missing pieces. Rather than reorder and hope the next set was correct, I picked up the missing seals from Hyspeco ... $45.

Spent about 2 hours reassembling and installing the cylinders. Checked for leaks and full function. Good to go!

Observations:

1. This is not a difficult process. I am left wondering how a shop can charge soooooo much to rebuild a cylinder.
2. When disassembling, take pics along the way. Note the direction parts install and the direction seals mount.

Good Job. Remember that the rebuild shop would have to make 2 rods from scratch. That is several hours of work. At probably $100/hour it adds up. Then a couple of hours to replace all the seals and test.