Injection pump install

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Dwilliams4wranch

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Have a td75da with bad injection pump. Pump was pulled by mechanic sent off for rebuild. When pump came back he was not able to get it in and timed correctly after several tries. I have not been able to find anything of use on the internet procedure wise. Talked with local dealer service department and they said it could take awhile to time it correctly. Any help would be appreciated.
 
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Did he take out the lock bolt before he had the engine timing set?

thepumpguysc

 
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I have one experience somewhat like this so I can help you out to a point.

I was working on a Perkins diesel in a MF 750 combine. I needed to replace the front engine cover and while removing a gear the engine turned and all my carefully set timing marks were useless. So with the verbal help of a diesel shop I got everything back together.

First I found top dead center TDC on the engine by installing a socket under a rocker for a valve (doesn't matter which one) on number 1 piston. Basically you just want to hold it open. Find a pointer on the front cover or make a mark on the front cover. Next you carefully rotate the engine until the piston touches the valve inside the engine. When the piston touches the valve you make a mark (Use a piece of tape or something that is removable) on the front dampener pulley beside the mark you made on the front cover. Then you carefully rotate the engine in the opposite direction until the piston touches the valve again and make another mark on the dampener pulley opposite the mark on the front cover. You should now have 2 marks on the front pulley. Half ways in between those 2 marks is TDC. Carefully measure the distance between the 2 marks and divide it in half. Make a more permanent mark on the front pulley exactly between the two marks and then remove them. You don't need them any more. Remove the socket on the rocker arm as you don't need it any more either. (If your dampener pulley is already marked with timing marks then you don't need to do the above exercise.)

Now you need to go to the diesel shop and ask them to tell you what the timing is on your engine and ask them to set the timing on the injection pump to that specification. Or even better to show you where the timing marks are.

Once you have that info then you can get back to your engine. Now if there are no timing marks on the front pulley then you need to make some. Get a metric seamstress tape measure. Believe me this is way easier in metric!! Wrap it around the front pulley and record that measurement. Say you get lucky and the measurement around the pulley is 360mm. That means that every mm is one degree of rotation. Say the timing on your particular engine is 7.5 degrees. You measure from the timing mark you made on the front pulley 7.5 mm against the rotation of the engine. You want to turn the engine backwards to make this mark as timing is before top dead center. (BTDC). So you aren't lucky and the measurement around the pulley is 245 mm. The math goes like this then. 245 divided by 360 = .6805555. (360 is the degrees in a circle) Next multiply .6805555 x 7.5 degrees = 5.1 mm. So 5.1 mm back from the TDC mark is your 7.5 degree timing mark. Once that is done you line up the 7.5 degree BTDC mark with the mark on the front cover.

Now install the pump making sure all your timing marks are aligned. Also make sure you get diesel fuel into the pump before you start cranking the engine over to start it.

This is all a pretty involved procedure for an amateur mechanic. It would be nice to have the help of someone who knows what he/she is doing. Good luck.

Edited to add that if thepumpguysc get involved with this your in good hands. They are a lot more familiar with this kind of problem than I am.
 
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I have one experience somewhat like this so I can help you out to a point.

I was working on a Perkins diesel in a MF 750 combine. I needed to replace the front engine cover and while removing a gear the engine turned and all my carefully set timing marks were useless. So with the verbal help of a diesel shop I got everything back together.

First I found top dead center TDC on the engine by installing a socket under a rocker for a valve (doesn't matter which one) on number 1 piston. Basically you just want to hold it open. Find a pointer on the front cover or make a mark on the front cover. Next you carefully rotate the engine until the piston touches the valve inside the engine. When the piston touches the valve you make a mark (Use a piece of tape or something that is removable) on the front dampener pulley beside the mark you made on the front cover. Then you carefully rotate the engine in the opposite direction until the piston touches the valve again and make another mark on the dampener pulley opposite the mark on the front cover. You should now have 2 marks on the front pulley. Half ways in between those 2 marks is TDC. Carefully measure the distance between the 2 marks and divide it in half. Make a more permanent mark on the front pulley exactly between the two marks and then remove them. You don't need them any more. Remove the socket on the rocker arm as you don't need it any more either. (If your dampener pulley is already marked with timing marks then you don't need to do the above exercise.)

Now you need to go to the diesel shop and ask them to tell you what the timing is on your engine and ask them to set the timing on the injection pump to that specification. Or even better to show you where the timing marks are.

Once you have that info then you can get back to your engine. Now if there are no timing marks on the front pulley then you need to make some. Get a metric seamstress tape measure. Believe me this is way easier in metric!! Wrap it around the front pulley and record that measurement. Say you get lucky and the measurement around the pulley is 360mm. That means that every mm is one degree of rotation. Say the timing on your particular engine is 7.5 degrees. You measure from the timing mark you made on the front pulley 7.5 mm against the rotation of the engine. You want to turn the engine backwards to make this mark as timing is before top dead center. (BTDC). So you aren't lucky and the measurement around the pulley is 245 mm. The math goes like this then. 245 divided by 360 = .6805555. (360 is the degrees in a circle) Next multiply .6805555 x 7.5 degrees = 5.1 mm. So 5.1 mm back from the TDC mark is your 7.5 degree timing mark. Once that is done you line up the 7.5 degree BTDC mark with the mark on the front cover.

Now install the pump making sure all your timing marks are aligned. Also make sure you get diesel fuel into the pump before you start cranking the engine over to start it.

This is all a pretty involved procedure for an amateur mechanic. It would be nice to have the help of someone who knows what he/she is doing. Good luck.

Edited to add that if thepumpguysc get involved with this your in good hands. They are a lot more familiar with this kind of problem than I am.
Great methodology, but if the pump, Bosch, has been taken out, the pump will have to be retimed by the injection shop first.
 
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I’m pretty sure it’s a Delphi DP200..?? W a cold start advance mechanism..
 
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No, the Bosch pump has a pointer in the governor that was set at the shop..& fixed..
There’s a timing pin in the cap on the governor..
 
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TN75DA uses a Bosch pump
 
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#14  
Sorry been traveling since first post. I did talk to local dealer in my area and his first question was did mech. mark the timing before he removed the pump (answer is no). Dealer stated it was going to be difficult to get right as they had one similar and they spent 100 hrs on it (hard for me to believe). There is a mark on flywheel that coincides with TDC, mech bought special tool to retime pump still would not fire, we did check it does fire useing a gas rag.

So if I pull pump have it retimed and have #1 at TDC that should be it? If not what has to happen? Do as PMSmechanic stated?

TIA
 
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That wasn’t meant for u D..
Just my sarcasm shining thru..
 
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Before u pull the pump again.. Snap a picture of the front of the engine.. inside where the pump bolts up..
I might get the same result if u can answer this question..
Inside the engine where the pump bolts to the gear.. is it 1 nut and washer or 3 bolts holding the pump to the gear..
I sure hope u answer 3 bolts.!!
 
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I’m in the middle of several pump o/h’s so give me time to get back to you..
 
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#19  
Before u pull the pump again.. Snap a picture of the front of the engine.. inside where the pump bolts up..
I might get the same result if u can answer this question..
Inside the engine where the pump bolts to the gear.. is it 1 nut and washer or 3 bolts holding the pump to the gear..
I sure hope u answer 3 bolts.!!
bad news 1 nut and washer
 
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So is this guy still working on it, or have you moved on from there?
 

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