Inovative anti-theft ideas?

[sandman2234]

SBS, but with a twist, which makes it an AOW. The Ithaca model 37 came from the factory with a pistol grip, so it has never had a buttstock on it, which drops it out of the SBS catagory. I purchased a buttstock for it, and the seller threw one in, but my C-III dealer straightened me out on it, saying that if I installed a buttstock on it, it became a SBS, but was not permitted as one, (they didn't get their $200 permit), so I was in violation of NFA laws.
Good thing that loophole but moving them to your name can be a problem as you mentioned.
I purchased mine during the time we had a no sign sherrif.(or anyone else) so I had to move. My AC-556 was actually purchased for me as a gift, but later when the donor came upon hard times, I repaid him for the purchase price.
I have been known to carry the stakeout when riding my tractor back in the swamp area east of me. Some pretty big rattlers have been known to hole up in that area.
David from jax

The last 2 sheriff's we've had would sign, though the most recent one wanted me to come in, interview me, and had a background check done on me ( no biggie ).. but he signed for everything I'v wanted.. silencers included.

I had a buddy that lived in miami.. his sheriff wouldn't sign.. nor would a chief of police, or a judge.. or Da.. etc. He ended up having to form a corporationIE "special occupational taxpayer", and was able to bypass the Cheif leo signature.. Hard way to do it, as he has to maintain his corp to keep the goodies.. or else he needs to move somewhere where a sheriff will sign, get them registered to his name.. then move back.. etc..

5$ .. nice.. must be the 'any other weapon' category? Wouldn't be a SBS would it?

Soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

I had thought about going AOW and 5$.. but like the butstock too much..

I have a AMT automag in .50AE and it hurts the hand enough to not want a p-grip SBS...

Soundguy

 

[sandman2234]

The 12 gauge doesn't kick as much as a 50AE Desert Eagle. Probably due to the extra weight(minimal) and the extra hand you have on the pump slide.
Have you considered having the barrel ported, or adding a ported extension to the existing barrel?
David from jax

 

[patrick_g]

The 12 gauge doesn't kick as much as a 50AE Desert Eagle. Probably due to the extra weight(minimal) and the extra hand you have on the pump slide.

David from jax

Often when shooting magnum 12 ga loads I use the non-trigger hand to pull back pressure to ensure the butt is tight on my shoulder. This allows the trigger hand to be more relaxed too.

Are you saying the mass of my support hand is the cause of the reduction in felt recoil? I thought it was the back pressure "welding" the gun to my body's central mass so the recoil had to accelerate me as well as the gun and the gun wouldn't get a running start at my shoulder.

My Mossberg (street sweeper) has no butt stock just a pistol grip and is pleasant to shoot as the recoil is distributed through a lot of "long throw" muscle movement in my arms. No bruises involved after many heavy loads, unlike magnum loads in my 3 inch Wingmaster.

Pat

 

[cp1969]

...as the recoil is distributed through a lot of "long throw" muscle movement in my arms.

That is the key to absorbing recoil..."rolling with the punch", so to speak. Elmer Keith wrote about this a lot. High-recoiling handguns should be allowed to rise as high as they want in recoil with the the gun and firing hand recoiling away from the support hand. I see so many people try to hold the gun down by gripping tightly with both hands and trying to keep the muzzle from rising when in fact, after the shot, the gun should end up being held with one hand and the muzzle raised high in the air. It makes for slow repeat shots, but magnum handguns are not about fast repeat shots.

When this technique is employed, it spreads the recoil energy out over a much longer distance and reduces wear and tear on the hands and arms. And psyche.

Try it. The technique is to firmly grip the gun in the shooting hand but leave the forearm muscles relaxed. Seems contradictory, but it can be done. Support, but do not grip, the gun or shooting hand with the off hand. Make no effort to keep the muzzle from rising. With my stiff handloads, my 4" M29 ends its recoil cycle with the muzzle pointed up at about a 60 deg angle.

Before I learned this, I could barely make it through one cylinder full of hot loads.

 

[patrick_g]

Try it. The technique is to firmly grip the gun in the shooting hand but leave the forearm muscles relaxed. Seems contradictory, but it can be done. Support, but do not grip, the gun or shooting hand with the off hand. Make no effort to keep the muzzle from rising.

Before I learned this, I could barely make it through one cylinder full of hot loads.

With the hottest handloads deemed safe I used to shoot 24-30 rounds with my (slightly less than 7 1/2 inch barrel Super Blackhawk) before the punishment caused my hand to get unsteady. My wife, then weighing 120 lbs and I could reach around her wrist with my thumb and pinky and have significant overlap, could shoot it with these hot loads single handed for 5-6 rounds and not have a problem. This was with factory wooden grips (pretty poor grips.)

One day at the range a buddy told me I was holding my .44 too tight and I told him his muzzle climb was unnatural. While he was pasting targets I loaded his .357 Blackhawk. I gave him two rounds and then an empty chamber two more rounds and the last chamber empty.

Sure enough on the third shot his pistol recoiled quite high accompanied by the click of an empty chamber. I commented on his subconscious assist to the muzzle climb and he commented on how he would have to STOP that nonsense. So he resumed firing... Bang, pause, bang pause, click. On the last round his pistol still recoiled big time even though it was an empty cylinder.

In the after action review he allowed as how he would never have believed it if I hadn't proved it to him twice in as many minutes. I have "surprised" a number of self assured shooters by allowing them the opportunity to show themselves various subconscious habits ingrained in their shooting that they were blissfully ignorant of.

This is not in disagreement with your instruction regarding allowing a natural muzzle rise just a cautionary tale illustrating how what seems to be "natural" muzzle rise may not be so simple as a shooter thinks.

When I shoot hot loads in the Super Blackhawk I grip the beast tightly enough to keep a positive hold on it. I support the pistol with my off hand by resting the butt on the off hand's palm or more likely by holding the shooting hand's wrist with the off hand. With factory grips on the Super Blackhawk it tends to DIG into your palm if you support it that way.

Oh, about the slightly less than 7 1/2 inch barrel... It came that way from Ruger. Seems a new guy grabbed a handfull of .41 magnum barrel blanks and they got made into .44 magnum Super Blackhawks. I eventually noticed the discrepancy and asked Ruger how to measure the pistol to get 7 1/2 inches on the barrel length like the box said. They then "fessed up", offered to rebarrel it for free, but assured me it was safe as is so I just kept it like that.

Pat

 

[sandman2234]

I would have kept it also and asked for some documentations to go with it!
Barrel that length is great for carrying on the tractor.
David from jax

 

[cp1969]

Pat, you're right, there is a tendency to want to help the muzzle climb. But I have also seen people nearly fall on their face from yanking the muzzle down when clicking on an empty chamber.

A misfire or an empty chamber can demonstrate a lot of faults.

 

[greenedeere]

It sure does make you smile when others make shooting mistakes, it makes me very aware of my mistakes though. No dought this is a great way to find out with a dead case or empty cylinder. I have seen some shooters get mad though, that makes it really hard to laugh or smile or say anything when they are holding a gun!

 

[patrick_g]

I have seen some shooters get mad though, that makes it really hard to laugh or smile or say anything when they are holding a gun!

Hopefully humor.

I do not hang out with armed folks who aren't responsible serious citizens when it comes to shooting safety. If I felt uncomfortable around anyone in a shooting situation I wouldn't be there with them for long or again. All my friends have a good sense of humor and we do clown around a bit BUT NOT WITH GUNS.

I'd much rather have a fault of mine found and fixed than worry about the appearance of being perfect.

Patrick