Inovative anti-theft ideas?

/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #121  
I already have a gasport3 on the .50ae.. also.. the AMT A-V is lighter weight than the desert eagle.. I'm sure that's most of the problem right there..

Soundguy

sandman2234 said:
The 12 gauge doesn't kick as much as a 50AE Desert Eagle. Probably due to the extra weight(minimal) and the extra hand you have on the pump slide.
Have you considered having the barrel ported, or adding a ported extension to the existing barrel?
David from jax
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #122  
I have a compact Glock mod. 29, 10mm that I use for carry. It is on par with the .41 mag and fits in the palm of your hand. You can only fit three fingers on the grip but once you get used to it , it really is fun to shoot and quite accurate at that. I used to carry a series 70 combat commander but if you carried that all day it was like working out in Gold's Gym. I really like the little Glock and it imparts a **** of a wallop. Almost twice the energy of the .45. Expensive to shoot but the firepower is there if need be...Also nice for hiking and defense against whatever you may encounter in the big woods. Bear, Mt Lion etc. with little impact on the burden of carrying it. Not saying there aren't better guns to use for self defense but this is my favorite choice...:)
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #123  
My favorite carry is my Calico 9mm. Not a lot of Hatcher scale stopping power, but the 100 round helical coil magazine helps ;). Unfortunately, I can't get a carry permit for it. :mad: Seriously, like johnk, I like my wife's compact Glock model 29 best for all-day toting.
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #124  
They also sell a grip extender for the 4th finger if it makes you feel more comfortable shooting it. The only problem is it makes it that little bit bigger.. I use it as is.....:eek: PS. If you need a 100 round magazine better take a shooting course because it's the first shot that counts unless in a heavy firefight which is unlikely unless the oil in the world runs out and everyone has to fend for themselves. Then I'll take a .50 in a pillbox...I wish I had your Calico...
 
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/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #125  
The bulk o fthe time i carry a sig P-230 in .380 Not a beast by any menas.. but it is a decent weight for frame size.. virtually no felt recoil because o fthe weight.. and some good hi performance ammo like +p or hydra shocks.. etc.. will perform adequately should push come to shove.

For extremly discrete carry i have a minscule kel tec in .32acp.. have a 'wallet' holster for it.. super convienient.. virtually no weight. and no 'printing' on clothing.

Soundguy
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #126  
What's the pro-gun peoples comment on the Virginia Massacre?

This would not have happened if the other students had been armed too?
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #127  
Tranberg said:
What's the pro-gun peoples comment on the Virginia Massacre?

This would not have happened if the other students had been armed too?


It might have still happened, but probably not to the extent that it did.

Probably time for a lock.
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #128  
What's the pro-gun peoples comment on the Virginia Massacre?

This would not have happened if the other students had been armed too?

It may have still happened if others had the ability to be armed as well, but the body count would have likely been reduced. The biggest problem we face right now, is people forget their best weapon is located between their ears. Between that and people not wanting to think about having to protect themselves, society has become weak, perfect prey for people like this guy.

You have to realize the police cannot protect you, and they have no obligation to protect you personally. Celeberties can be afford to be alright with citizenry not having firearms because they have their own armed security forces to protect them, same as politicians. As far as I'm concerned, people who can't understand the need to take responsibility for ones' own safety and the safety of one's family, are simply in denial. Any weapon in the hands of someone there could've possibly ended this, including pepper spray. That might've bought someone a little time to take action against the shooter. A gun is not the be-all/end all solution to every problem. In this case, from what I've seen the biggest problem was everyone was in such shock from it, nobody could take action on it. Sneak up behind the **** guy and slit his throat with a pocket knife, or stab him in the chest with a pencil. Just about anything can be used as a weapon. Unfortunately not many people realize that, since they are afraid to confront the possibility of something like that happening, and think of some possibilities of what might be done to stop it if it does.

Even with this incident, cars, and a whole bunch of other things kill more people than people with firearms do per year by a long shot. It is an unfortunate incident. However, putting more restrictions on firearms is not the answer. Common law abiding citizens are the only ones who care about firearms laws.

People sensationalize these firearms incidents but don't think rationally about it. Rationally, since the police weren't there when it started, they couldn't protect anybody. This is how most crimes occur, without a cop present initially. Unfortunately, no slam against cops or anything, but they simply can't predict where a crime will occur and be there every time. In light of this information, people need to decide what an acceptable risk is for themselves. Personally I feel better about armed law abiding citizens being sprinkled liberally about society. Makes me feel safer, and makes me feel better for my family, because there's an increased possibility someone will be able to put a stop to a nutjob like this quickly.

According to the media, guns just force people to kill other people randomly. Mine must all be defective, because they've never convinced me to shoot at anyone unprovoked. I hope I'll be able to avoid ever having to use a gun in defense of self or others. However, if the need arises, I definitely want to have the necessary tool to do the job. People who legally carry concealed weapons are no different than when you put on a seatbelt or buy home, auto, or tractor insurance. It's an insurance policy. You always put it on/buy it with the hope you'll never need it, but if you ever do need it, you'll be thankful you had it.

I miss the good old days where when someone snapped, the only person they decided to kill was him or herself. These days of trying to get back at everybody, or go out with a bang are getting ridiculous. It decidedly needs to end, but until it does, it's wise to have the ability to defend yourself. It's best to have a multiple layered defense, starting at martial arts, a taser or pepper spray and ending at a firearm.
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #129  
I don't want this thread to get emotional or political.. But I would stop short of saying that 'it' wouldn't have happened.. but perhaps.. ther emight have been fewer peopl kille dor injured if A) the students resisted en masse. If 30+ students rushed the shooter.. he may have hit a few.. but not 32 of them. Or B) Had there been a legally armed student.. that could have used a weapon in self defense.. then mayber same result as A.

On the flip side.. i don't find fault with -any- of the victoms/students or facualty that tried to flee... It's just human nature to be frightened when faced with being killed.

Just my .02$ worth..

Soundguy
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #130  
the_sandman_454

Very well said indeed (long loud applause) Thank you, thank you very much.

A small but perhaps significant quibble... I don't think insurance like for cars, houses, and such is proactive.

Concealed carry seems proactive and BETTER THAN INSURANCE. Insurance, at best, after a deductible tries to replace goods or grant a monetary compensation for a loss to a person. Concealed carry is a positive step toward promoting safety for ones self, family, neighbors, and general public. Concealed carry affords an immediate response that can prevent or reduce loss, much better than insurance.

Yeah, I call it insurance too. My baby Glock in .45ACP is my nearly constant companion when dressed but it gives me an ability SUPERIOR to the way insurance works.

If a deranged unstable individual or group wishes to make a "splash" on the 6 o'clock news and there were no guns available they would improvise explosive devices, Molotov cocktails, poison gases or whatever was needed to support their lunacy.

When analyzed rationally, this latest atrocity against civilized society, like Columbine et al, is firearm neutral. It could and most likely would have been achieved by any number of alternative means. You cannot legislate sanity and rationality. Insane and or irrational people will act out even if firearms did not exist. Gee, if we had only know in advance we could have passed a law against the sales of Koolaid and saved all those poor misguided innocent folks at Jonestown.

Pat
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #131  
It is unfortunate that the generation that was victimized has been brain washed for the last couple decades that the mere sight of a gun in person might kill you. If the group targeted were mid 30's or older the outcome would have been different I think even if no one were armed.
If you talk to someone in their 20's or younger, there is tremendous fear about guns. Most of that generation has been indoctrinated that guns kill and have a mind of their own whether a law abiding person owns one or not. They can't understand why someone would even want to own something that goes around killing people.
A room full of 30 something or older folks probably would have had a better understanding about firearms and might have charged the shooter, realizing that a gun only fires when it has ammo and the trigger is pulled and that it only kills when it is aimed at a organ necessary for life.
Even the word Glock has become synoymous with innocent life taker assault weapon. Fear kills and keeps people defenseless.
We are about one generation away from a group voting to remove all of our firearms. They are already willing to voluntarily turn them in themselves.
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #132  
The Wheel CLUB

rodi_1943_87487524
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #133  
I am not afraid of people who legally own guns. We as a society have become anti gun and we are now paying for it. Half of the criminals out there would not have the b***s to commit crimes if they thought their victims might be armed. Even if you outlaw guns, the bad guys are going to get them and make the rest of us easy prey. I might add that I just went to a cop funeral today, the second local guy in a year. As a society we need to start ot fight back against the bad guys. I hope I never have to go to another cop funeral. This all happened in the jurisdiction next to mine. By the way, as for tractor security----->300 Win Mag :D
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #134  
The more I ponder it, the more I am infuriated by the mainstream media's agenda of pushing the "don't fight back" against criminals philosophy. For the longest time, the media has been trying to ram this idea down our throats. The very premise of that idea is pure idiocy. They want us to trust someone who is already committing a crime against us to not harm us? It seems pretty illogical to want to trust someone who isn't showing he or she is worthy of trust?

I think the media is partially responsible for the body count in this situation being so high. The people university age have grown up on nothing but this drivel about "just give them what they want, they'll go away". As such, nobody even thought to fight back in this VT incident. The way I look at a situation like that, were I placed in it, is "I'm dead already, so I might as well go down fighting"... That is the case whether the weapon I have at hand is my hand, a pencil, razor blade, knife, sword, pistol, a heavy book, or whatever else is quickly attainable. It might not succeed, but there's a good chance you're getting shot anyhow in a situation like that. No longer can people afford to be complacent, or delusional, thinking "surely they won't harm me if I don't resist"... With the current state of affairs we're in, the left's line of silly "they won't harm me" reasoning is the most sure way to be killed in a situation like that...

An attitude such as that is what is missing from society today. We've been taught it's ok to cower, that it's the right thing to do in fact. That has emboldened bad people to try and get away with things like this. This has got to change but I have no idea how to change it. I'm doing my part very soon by getting my CHL permit, as well as aquiring some pepper spray. What we need are some more classic western movie type ideals, the way attitudes used to be. I'm not talking about vigilantism, since self defense is not that, no matter what the media (and the left wing) tries to get people to believe. I am talking about an attitude of helping others, even at the cost of yourself. Old school values, what some used to refer to as "being a man". That's gone for the most part, except for a few of us holdouts from that philosophy.

Concealed carry weapons are not about vigilante justice, but rather about the inherent right of every human being to an adequate means of self defense in the face of an attack.

I'm sorry for posting again in such a short time, but this issue really burns me, especially when those in denial try to claim somehow it's the gun's fault. Gun control is like trying to make it harder to buy a car in an effort to help curb drunk driving. The exception being that we have no Constitutional protection to buy a car, however, we do for firearms. Prohibitions only effect those who are concerned with laws (which inherently means criminals still get the items that are prohibited). If you don't believe how ineffective prohibition is, look at the drug situation. Why are so many people using drugs, if they're prohibited? Criminals are already prohibited from having firearms. Since there is no way to predict the future and know who is going to commit a crime in the future, there is no way to prevent access of weapons to all criminals. This is the very reason gun control is hurting law abiding citizens, by removing their ability to defend themselves in a situation where a crime is committed not in the presence of law enforcement.


On a side note, I'm sorry to hear about your two local officers this year. Make sure to keep your head down and don't take any chances.
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #135  
Gun control cannot prevent events like the one at VT. This week a Japanese mayor was assassinated by a gang member with a handgun. In Japan, where there is pretty strict gun control. There have been school massacres in FRANCE! A number of years ago, I think in Japan, there was a school massacre where the weapon was a knife.

The issue is this: the type of person that steals your tractor at night or shoots fellow unarmed students is a coward. In general, they will strike only when they know that no one can resist them. The problem is that any nutbag anywhere can safely assume that he will meet no resistance as long as he has a gun. THAT is what allows this type of thing to happen. Not everyone needs to be packing a gun to prevent this type of thing. But if there was any chance that his peers would be as well armed as he is, the nutbag stays at home and uses his gun on himself. Even if he is ready to kill himself or be killed by the SWAT team, he will not go into a situation in which his intended victims will thwart his evil. There only needs to be a tangible chance of this. As it is, we are a society of victims always depending on someone else to protect us. The nutbag has nothing to fear from 'us'. There is nothing to deter him. But if he could reasonably expect there to be one person in every other classroom with a gun, he would be detered, crazy or not.

Same with tractor theft. If the thief thought that stealing someone elses hard earned stuff included a reasonable chance of farmer Brown legally dropping him with an old single barrel shotgun with buckshot....he wouldn't do it. As is, getting caught by the owner isn't even something he need worry about.

I remember a liquor store in the worst part of towm in Charleston, South Carolina back in the days when the best part of town was dnagerous at night. Every clerk behind the counter was openly packing a big revolver. They never got robbed.
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #136  
Wow! Sandman_454 you put it better than anyone I have heard/read in a long long time. In fact, the last time I heard anyone say what you have said and as eloquently as you, those words were spoken by Charleton Heston. Thank you.

Isn't it interesting that the most popular places for these mass shootings are the places where carrying a firearm, even with a CHL, is prohibited? Schools, post offices, churches, and government buildings. Do you think that these cowards, like the VA Tech "senior", know that? Do you think our legislators recognize it? Unfortunately, the answers to the questions are yes and no.

Will we never learn that our Founding Fathers were the wisest men ever to walk the ground we call home? God bless America.
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #137  
MY JD790 has a safety switch under the seat, you know if you leave the seat without putting the tractor in the proper condition it acts as a kill switch....?

I was thinking that maybe that switch could be modified somehow to use as an easy way to keep the tractor from being started.

hud
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #138  
It is extremely easy to hotwire a tractor.
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #139  
After reading in this forum I started leaving my pto in gear too I always left my range selector in gear so it will not start.

Jump a head 2 month I hop on put range selector in n still wont turn over start trouble shooting and I find pto in gear dugh!!! well that took me 1/2 hour. Now I hope it will slow down some one else if they were trying to start it the point that they give up.


tommu56
 
/ Inovative anti-theft ideas? #140  
on gasoline engines that have a distributor, its pretty EZ to switch the coil wire around with one of the spark plug leads.

sucker will crank and backfire but only on on one cylinder.
 

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