is a b7800 to big

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wantabota

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eastern virginia
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Bx2230
my property has 3.69 acres that is very flat with little obsticles and I would like to go with the b7800 but I was wondering if that would be a problem considering that we have a septic tank would the wieght of the tractor be to much. I am also plnning on building a barn to accomidate a horse so the tractor would be of very much help.
 
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For that amount of land I'd find it tough to go that big as unless you plan on getting a 72" deck you couldn't gain much. But for the difference in the price to the BX 23 to the 7800 with a mower and loader you would have all the options.
 
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wantabota


I have a B 2910 (same tractor as 7800 but more features) that I use on just over 4 acres. It was originally purchased to get the lawn done in a short time. It takes less than an hour to cut 2 acres with a lot of obstacles.

After owing it since 2000 I have found that it has many other advantages because of it's size compared to my neighbors BX. The biggest item is the load capacity of the FEL. 900 lbs. lift versus BX's 500 lbs.

Do a search on the B2710 and B2910 tractors. You will find a lot of information on there ability to do the jobs you want to accomplish.
 
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"...wondering if that would be a problem considering that we have a septic tank would the wieght of the tractor be to much. "

As far as the weight when driving onver a septic tank, you might want to check out this thread . It's pretty long and there's a lot of opinions and responses.

That thread should help you decide...

So, other then the price differential between the 7800 and the smaller Kubotas, probably no reason to not go for the bigger machine. Personally, I think the B7500 would be a better match for your property.

Either way, if you buy a tractor with a FEL, suggest you leave the FEL off when you're mowing. Less weight means less risk when you're driving across the septic tank and drain field.
 
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Maybe... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Well if it is lawn duty - the BX should be your pick.
Loader duty - yes the B7800 has the edge, put do you plan on
a thousand pounds of manure moving?
Weight? Factor the BX for you needs, riding around in tight places? BX, Ground clearance? B7800. But do you need it?
Horsepower - B7800, but do you need 'em?

I'd look at the BX first and go kick the tires and drive it around.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Heyb there,

I just went through this. One thing you may want to consider is the size of the operator station. If your mowing 3 acres you want to be comfortable. The B7800 is a much lager38inX38 in operator platform than the BX or B7500.

If you are slim and trim the BX may be perfect for you but ride one around and get a feel for it's size. If your a wide body (like Me) try the B7800 on for size.

There is always the JD 2210 which is bigger than the Bx's and a bit more tractor, yet smaller than the B's (and quite alot less tractor too).

On the septic issue remember tire size, the B7800 is only 200 pounds heavier than the BX23 sans loader and that can be eaten up with a wide turf tire, or made worse buy the narrow R-4's.

Of course which ever Kubota you get you'll be buying the best small tractor in the business. Good luck



AJP
 
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I have 2.5 acres and a B7500. If I were buying today, I would probably step up to the B7800. It wasn't offered at the time I bought. The only reason I would step up is for the additional lift capabilities. Actually I was looking very closely at the BX22 when I bought. I am really glad I bought a little bigger than I thought I needed. One of the tasks I do is move pallets of firewood with my tractor. A BX would not be able to do that. My B7500 can just barely handle it and a B7800 could do it easily.

What it comes down to is really analyzing what you will be using your tractor for, regardless of the size of your property. If you are just going to be mowing, a BX will probably be great for you. If you are going to be doing any lifting I would recommend that you look at the specs of each tractor and then buy one size bigger than you need, if your budget allows.

Boy it's fun spending other peoples money...... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Greg
 
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I considered both the B7500 and B7800. I have 3 acres and thought the 7800 was too big for the mowing and tight work around the house. I wanted more capacity than the 7500 but preferred it's size. I bought a B2410 and got the size I preferred (and still do) and got additional lifting and breakout force of the 2410 (LA 352) loader as well as the additional 3 point lift capacity. It does not have the all the capability of the B7800, however. In my opinion, it was the right choice for me. I have loaded tires and a backhoe and drive over my concrete septic tank which is about 18 inches below grade with no problems. Good luck with your decision.
 
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I have 3.7 acres and a b2910 and I think it is a good fit. I actually wish I had a L3130 or L3430 sometimes! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif But that is only because I also have a BX2200...

In the beginning I thought the B2910 [same size as B7800] was BIG. But now I think it is just fine for most of my needs.

Had I bought a MMM I probably would not have ended up buying the BX2200. I had went with a 60" RFM and it did not work well for me because of things I had to cut around.

If I had to only have one tractor for my 3.7 acres it would be the B2910.

In fact...when I think about "my tractor" for some reason I forget about the BX and an image of the larger tractor is the only one that pops into my mind...

The B series tractors are actually pretty light...by the way... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I would go with a 72" mower on the B7800...need some stick out beyond the rear tires to make cutting close to things easier if you need to do that sometimes.
 
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If your septic system is at all marginal in its ability to
handle its job, and you may not be able to tell its not always
a good idea to drive anything on the drainfield but a very
light mower. Not for breakage, but for soil compaction.

Sure, all kinds of people drive their cars over their field
with no problem...but a lot find out the hardway.

Septic systems are designed so a lot of the liquid evaporates
upward as the pipes are not far below the surface. For best
operation, low native ground cover is best, or grass cut with light rider. You have to be careful with bigger plants,
some like to snake roots down the pipes and really cause a
problem. Maples and willows for instance.

Actually your heel puts down more weight per sq inch than
most tractors.

Even on the little tractors the tires keep getting wider
so maybe the compaction won't occur.

If you do ever find the system is suddenly not working as
well you can lightly break up the top 6 inches and that should
restore the breathability of the soil.

I've seen people have a problem and have a septic guy come
out and tear up their system only to find the pipes are clean
the soil is not sludged. Huge bill when all is needed is to
restore the upward motion of the liquid (er moisture)

As to breaking the tank, unless your state has really lax
standards or the tank was built before current standards
you probably couldn't break the top no matter what you drove
on it. The inlet pipe you might if it is real close to the
surface. When I first bought my place I had phone lines put
in, the phone company didn't ask where the tank was and I was
ignorant of the fact that you can't trust anyone else to know
what should be in their job description (knowing what they
are plowing through).

They plowed back and forth across my tank, broke the removable
lid but didn't hurt the tank.

Is your property all "done" otherwise, landscaped, no woods
to clean up? I think long term the BX may be something you'd
have a use for. The bigger tractor may be overkill, but as
most everyone will tell you, they had no idea of all the things
they'd find to use their tractor for after they bought it.

I think it comes down to (as the other fellow said) the seat
and the controls. You should really spend a couple of hours
at the dealer driving back and forth, stop and go, on and on.
Waste of a couple of hours to some, but you'd be surprised at
how uncomfortable one tractor may be FOR YOU over the other, and not
just the smaller one. Drive it over the ground as rough
as you have at home. If you have made up your mind to buy
it from a particular dealer, many dealers will bring out
both for you to demo. Staring at the brochure and the
sitting tractor leaves SO much out of equation.

Are you SURE in a few years you won't be buying that 5
acres up in the mountains for the cabin you've been
thinking about? Then you'll want the bigger tractor.
Both are light enough to tow with a many 1/2 ton pickups.

If you plan on doing much grading or use of a rear dirt
implement a tractor with position control on the 3 point is
IMHO required. I didn't even know tractors didn't have this
until I started using my BX. My bigger Ford is SO much easier.

The B7800 and I think all the other Kubotas have this. Maybe
the new BX's do too I haven't checked.

The JD2210 does not. A cost saving measure I suppose.

Some people say they get used to it, I guess if you didn't
have position control before you don't miss it.

The BX turns around really tight, I used mine inside a building
sometimes moving engines around. Sort of an indoor outdoor
power wheelbarrow!

del
 
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Hey Del,

Great point on the Position control. It is so handy, the B7800 and the B-10's have a quarter inching valve as do the 7510's. That is very cool and helpful on bigger implements during mounting.

The Older B7500/7400 do not have position control. So gradeing and rock rake operations take some getting used to but they can be done.


What about Draft sensing? The smaller tractors have no draft sensing and on the compacts it's optional. That chaps me, too deep is just as much a problem as not deep enough.

And telescopic draft links too.

You know I hate to say this But Kioti has all these features as standard features on their compact tractors.

I am just still not ready to buy an off brand of any kind. I still consider Kioti an off brand but I have to admit that the DK45 I ran was a very impressive tractor. With all the options and the price difference they are getting tough to ignore.

Somebody other than the manufacturers should set up a real test between all the big brands and some of the off brands too. A real world test on some jokers farm or wood lot. Mowing Tilling, loading logs, loading sand, pulling a sled and racing.

The county fairs up here are good but they allow too many modifications.

Anyway I just think that would be fun.

AJP
 
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JD2K

All my tractors have draft control...

When they stop...TOO DEEP

When they snap my neck back...TOO SHALLOW.

Hey, JD2K I just bought another tractor, please quit
making me crazy will all these cool things like that
1/4 inching valve and draft control.

Next thing I'll hear is all the backhoes but mine have
the same electronics the new excavators have, almost
semi-auto control of the backhoe. Returns to the same
dump spot and height each swing, etc etc etc

All this stuff is slowly coming down from the bigger
tractors. I don't know why things like the telescoping
end links etc don't just appear and become STD equipment.

The more tractors that are out there, even in the used
market, that are easy to use, the more people will want
one.

The smaller manufacturers, like Kioti, separate themselves
by doing just that, just as fast as possible they incorporate
improvements.

If they could suddenly shove a much larger dealer network
into place with advertising to match maybe the "big 3" would
take notice. Reminds me of Japanese cars in the early 70s.

Detroit didn't seem to pay much attention.

Welcome to TBN, the land of endless opinions and info.

Pick and choose what you like, discard the rest!

del
 
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Yeah Del

I always feel like the engineers wait for me to finally buy something before the unveil the next "Got to have" option.

I got the B-7500 because of the 2 speed rear Pto. That had aome guys jumping on the buy board. But for me and my generator there is no other way to fly.

I thought the 1000 rpm rear pto had gone out with the DoDo. But someone says that Kubota has had them on various models since 1970.

On Draft sensing i get you, but that slick little handle they put on the L's(optional) and the M's(standard) would be great on a B too.

Sorry to bring you down. But as soon as the weather gets better the Orange Glow will over take us all, and all will be right with the world.

My Glow formerly green now green and orange dulls a bit when I do winter chores and woods work but come spring and tilling/ plowing and haying I'm all a-glow.

I cannot wait to try that M out in the field. I have a good neighbor who can't wait either.

Anyway I hope you get to enjoy your new purchase during the long cold.

Cadillac Tony
 
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The two speed PTO is an idea just to simple to have been
ignored for so long.

I think the one speed must date back to gas engined
tractors? that needed the rpm.

For many jobs I could run the tractor at a much lower
rpm if the PTO gear ratio would give me the blade tip
speed necessary for a clean mow cut.

I was <font color="blue">blue</font> then
<font color="blue"> blue</font> and <font color="orange">orange</font> , now
<font color="blue">blue</font>, <font color="orange">orange</font> and <font color="green">green</font>

del
 
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I am just still not ready to buy an off brand of any kind. I still consider Kioti an off brand but I have to admit that the DK45 I ran was a very impressive tractor. With all the options and the price difference they are getting tough to ignore. )</font>

Sorry to see your not interested in Kioti Tony.
I was a John Deere owner and when looking for a new tractor I couldn't ignore the options and price on Kioti.
2 years with my DK 35 and I like it.
I like it a lot !
 
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DK35,
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I don't know but that sounds like a pretty strong endorsement of a tractor make that 10 years ago, couldn't build a tractor that ran. As late as 2000 I would have put Kioti with McConnell the yellow Chinese wonder.( As in I wonder if it will start today)

But Today the Kioti is as I said hard to ignore. I agree with myself when I said they offered as standard equipment many items that are optional on the Green and true Orange. I had an opportunity to skid logs for a week with a Kioti DK45 and I was so impressed I almost bought one on the spot. I said that I was impressed in my post. So PLEASe don't get me wrong I have nothing against Kioti anymore and I am watching them very closely.

Kioti is just not for me,....yet. I make my living on my bigger tractor. I don't know anyone close by who has one and has used it day after day in the field and woods. I skid with a JD540 and load logs with my M6800(formerly the JD4700).

I just want some proff of longevity from Kioti before I buy one. And It needs to be around here, or in a similar climate under similar conditions.

Another consideration is dealers. We don't have one yet within 2 hours. There is one guy but he has carried: Same, Lamborghini, LongTrac, and now Kioti. Not what I'd call good advertising.

But I a happy for you that you bought a Kioti. I am 100% convinced that you did the right thing. I am also 100% sure you got quite a bit more for your money than I did when I bought my 4700. I say that again the Kioti DK45 is more tractor for the money than the JD4700. But I am just not a believer yet. I went Deere because they are a known quantity. Plus they are easy to service.

I wish you great success with the Kioti, please let me know what you use it for and how many hours you have on it etc.

If I ever say anything that seems derrogatory about a person place or thing, please call me on it. It is never my intention to offend.

AJP
 
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I never took any offense.
I just jumped in here to let you know how my Kioti was working out for me.
I use my DK 35 to maintain 15 acres. Field mowing, finish mowing, tilling, some front loader and backhoe work, Etc.
I have used it for 2 years and around 200 hours, so far so good ! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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<font color="blue">You know I hate to say this But Kioti has all these features as standard features on their compact tractors.
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I've noticed that too...

<font color="blue"> I still consider Kioti an off brand but I have to admit that the DK45 I ran was a very impressive tractor. </font>

I might call them an 'alternate' brand' not necessarily an 'off' brand. Like all tractors, some are stronger in geographic areas than others. I have heard Kioti referred to as part of the Big "4".

<font color="blue"> With all the options and the price difference they are getting tough to ignore.
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Absolutely.....and even tougher when they get there entire CK (hydrostatic) line rolled out.

Don
 
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in my estamation the size of the property does not really matter to the size of the tractor, IT ALL DEPENDS on what u need to do with the tractor. i don't think the 7800 will be to heavy for ur septic system,
 
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I do respect the Kioti line too. I think they have come a long way to be where they are today. They are spotty in sales and likewise resale but they are improving. Some of the manufacturers do offer more features as standard equipment. It is funny but I have sold farm tractors to people that don't care about those features for the work that they use it for, and don't want to know the advantages of the option because of that. Worst part is they often grumble over having to pay for it. On the other side there are people that want all the bells and whistles and yes there are back rooms in every manufacturers headquarters that people work in just to find more options! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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