Is a dually needed?

   / Is a dually needed? #111  
My point was that DRW almost always has a greater payload capacity than SRW.
For example 2014 Ford 250/350 SRW greatest payload capacity 4,930 lbs. DRW 7,260 lbs.

The pin weight on OP trailer is listed at 3200 dry. My guess is he will push 4K pin weight wet/loaded for the trip.


Could it be done on a modern SRW... by the numbers yes. would i do it? no Id opt for the DRW for all the reasons many others have said.
 
   / Is a dually needed?
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#112  
The pin weight on OP trailer is listed at 3200 dry. My guess is he will push 4K pin weight wet/loaded for the trip.

really? I thought the pin weight was a loaded gvw weight, boy I have a lot to learn, never had a fifth wheel.


Could it be done on a modern SRW... by the numbers yes. would i do it? no Id opt for the DRW for all the reasons many others have said.


this is the same conclusion I came to. I can, but do I want to? Safety or convenience? I prefer to get my excitement from sightseeing, not having my trailer flip the truck over into a ditch...so I think that extra set of wheels makes sense.

I'd still like some feedback on tire selection. I'm oriented to go to a more agressive rear tread, more traction is usually always good, but what about the whine at 60mph?
 
   / Is a dually needed? #113  


this is the same conclusion I came to. I can, but do I want to? Safety or convenience? I prefer to get my excitement from sightseeing, not having my trailer flip the truck over into a ditch...so I think that extra set of wheels makes sense.

I'd still like some feedback on tire selection. I'm oriented to go to a more agressive rear tread, more traction is usually always good, but what about the whine at 60mph?[/I]

I run Uniroyal HD/H tires on my truck...
They are highway tread...
They also have a HD/T that has a more aggressive tread...
I got right @ 50K miles on the last ones I ran and I liked them a lot...
They are warranted for 50K miles...
Lots of other good options out there...
 
   / Is a dually needed? #114  
i think going AT tread in the rear t least is smart idea, my father and i run an AT type tire on the rear of all our duallys. to me the t don't whine at all. even mud terrains for the most part are fairly quiet
 
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#115  
Thanks Turbys. I bet you liked them partially because they weren't too noisy.
That's good... and good mileage too.
most of my trips are unloaded realistically. Although in total mileage to and from moving the trailer is all
highway miles and will rack up the most mileage overall. I'm retired, and will not hustle with this truck.

does anyone have the more aggressive tread pattern rear tires on their dually? Are you glad you do? Wish you hadn't?
Now I have Firestone Destination AT's on my suburban, a pretty open tread pattern, and they rumble a bit with a small amount of whine at low speeds.
But huge traction that totally diminishes any small noise issue. I just want to avoid a LARGE noise issue. I know better not to run monster mudders or whatever, but
basically, can I run an E rated relatively quiet on/off road tread back there?

terry, just read your post, thank you.

hmmm, glad I remembered the cabin trip, been doing this for 40 plus years, every year, to a friend's mountain cabin. One mile up the side of a mountain in the NY Catskills on a decent grass path/road that is often seriously crowned. Though I want to haul my Kubota up there and fix that crown...now there's a couple great days of playing in the dirt...
I wouldn't haul a trailer to the top, can park at bottom of one mile all natural driveway, luckily a nice parking spot there where I can unload UTV's, whatever, and the tractor. But unloaded, I want to get up that hill in everything but snow. It's wide enough, but some mud, small rocks, and one part a short but serious up hill climb right before the cabin, where it all levels out and has a turnaround. My best friend bought the place right out of college for very little, and has kept it until now we are both retired and can go up there and not worry about racing back on Sunday afternoon in the awful traffic.

So that's why I'm thinking I might need more grip than a highway pattern. I only use the minimum rpm needed but without at least some mini lugs in there, once those tires start to spin, might as well just stop and back up. And try again... But I would like to get to the top comfortably, and while the UTV isn't bad, we usually leave everything down below and go up and check on the cabin first. Make sure there isn't a bear in there,(his name is Bob, for real...) or it hasn't burned down...something that would mean we wish we hadn't unpacked yet. And you know how many straps one has to undo...

sorry for being longwinded, but this would be an only truck for me. so it has to do it all...
 
   / Is a dually needed? #116  
if i remember i will get a picture of the dump trucks tires
 
   / Is a dually needed? #117  
Who makes the best sounding diesel. We all know that answer, and it comes with a Cummins installed from the factory.
 
   / Is a dually needed? #118  
Thanks Turbys. I bet you liked them partially because they weren't too noisy. That's good... and good mileage too. most of my trips are unloaded realistically. Although in total mileage to and from moving the trailer is all highway miles and will rack up the most mileage overall. I'm retired, and will not hustle with this truck. does anyone have the more aggressive tread pattern rear tires on their dually? Are you glad you do? Wish you hadn't? Now I have Firestone Destination AT's on my suburban, a pretty open tread pattern, and they rumble a bit with a small amount of whine at low speeds. But huge traction that totally diminishes any small noise issue. I just want to avoid a LARGE noise issue. I know better not to run monster mudders or whatever, but basically, can I run an E rated relatively quiet on/off road tread back there? terry, just read your post, thank you. hmmm, glad I remembered the cabin trip, been doing this for 40 plus years, every year, to a friend's mountain cabin. One mile up the side of a mountain in the NY Catskills on a decent grass path/road that is often seriously crowned. Though I want to haul my Kubota up there and fix that crown...now there's a couple great days of playing in the dirt... I wouldn't haul a trailer to the top, can park at bottom of one mile all natural driveway, luckily a nice parking spot there where I can unload UTV's, whatever, and the tractor. But unloaded, I want to get up that hill in everything but snow. It's wide enough, but some mud, small rocks, and one part a short but serious up hill climb right before the cabin, where it all levels out and has a turnaround. My best friend bought the place right out of college for very little, and has kept it until now we are both retired and can go up there and not worry about racing back on Sunday afternoon in the awful traffic. So that's why I'm thinking I might need more grip than a highway pattern. I only use the minimum rpm needed but without at least some mini lugs in there, once those tires start to spin, might as well just stop and back up. And try again... But I would like to get to the top comfortably, and while the UTV isn't bad, we usually leave everything down below and go up and check on the cabin first. Make sure there isn't a bear in there,(his name is Bob, for real...) or it hasn't burned down...something that would mean we wish we hadn't unpacked yet. And you know how many straps one has to undo... sorry for being longwinded, but this would be an only truck for me. so it has to do it all...

I would install the same tires all around. Having 6 tires to rotate really helps them last longer. I have a friend who tows every day and he gets 70-80k out of his tires with regular rotations.
 
   / Is a dually needed?
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#119  
Who makes the best sounding diesel. We all know that answer, and it comes with a Cummins installed from the factory.

good thing you are driving one, right? ;)
Most of the one ton truck diesels I have heard are pretty bad from outside the truck. Neither a pleasant intake or exhaust noise.
And yes, the Ram is definitely the loudest. Inside, only the owner knows, and frankly all I care about. Give me a triple sealed door and wads of sound insulation
and I'll be happy. As long as what I do hear sounds like a motor and not a giant vac like a transit bus.
 
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#120  
I would install the same tires all around. Having 6 tires to rotate really helps them last longer. I have a friend who tows every day and he gets 70-80k out of his tires with regular rotations.

good advice. Otherwise those fronts would just scrub off pretty quick. I think an AT tire from Michelin, Goodyear or Firestone is likely where I will go. Firestone has Bridgestone behind them, and I think Firestone has really benefited by that. Michelin is usually good, and quiet/comfortable. Goodyear has also improved, they are actually placing tires at or near the top of TireRack's categories again.
 

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