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[SPYDERLK]

One in the same in mine.

If we want to say that everyone is equal, and have a fair shot, then make everyone meet the same standard and get all those "discriminators" off the applications.

If you think Women meet the same standard as men in the military, think again.

The value of having diversity in a group is so great that we must really find a way to get this right. I think it is closely tied to realistic self assessment and expectation, so that you dont cause the system to enter a trap of forcing "equality" blindly.

larry​

 

[MossRoad]

...However, there are many theories about the cause of crime, increase in crime, etc. There's everything from race, religion, family breakdown, mothers working outside the home, change in laws, population density, number of officers, quality of officers and/or their training, and the list goes on and on. There are many textbooks and college courses on the topic, so it's definitely too complex to explain in one forum. I'm convinced that there are many factors involved.

That about sums it up.

 

[Spiveyman]

The value of having diversity in a group is so great that we must really find a way to get this right. I think it is closely tied to realistic self assessment and expectation, so that you dont cause the system to enter a trap of forcing "equality" blindly.

larry​

Wow, this could be my first serious disagreement of my TBN career!

Diversity and multi-culturalism will be the downfall of America. What made America what she is today was people leaving their home lands, coming to America, assimilating into this land and becoming Americans. Not hyphenated Americans, just Americans. John Wayne reads a great poem about the hyphen on one of his cowboy poetry CD's and how its very purpose is to be divisive. The only thing of true value in a group is excellence. You can have widely diverse people or ideas, but if there is no excellence in the ideas or the execution, the simple presence of diversity will not get it done. The focus needs to be on excellence, NOT diversity. When I interview I don't give two hoots about what HR is telling me I have to do. I hire the BEST person for the job, no matter what our AA quota's look like, and my group kicks everyone else's tail because of that. My boss asked me just recently, "How do you do it?" Every time a group identifies themselves with a hyphen they cause animosity in this land rather than healing. We're way to strong to ever be brought down from a foreign threat outside of our borders, but we're rotting from within.


Podunkadunk - Hilarious post! Love the road sign.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Wow, this could be my first serious disagreement of my TBN career!

Diversity and multi-culturalism will be the downfall of America. What made America what she is today was people leaving their home lands, coming to America, assimilating into this land and becoming Americans. Not hyphenated Americans, just Americans. John Wayne reads a great poem about the hyphen on one of his cowboy poetry CD's and how its very purpose is to be divisive. The only thing of true value in a group is excellence. You can have widely diverse people or ideas, but if there is no excellence in the ideas or the execution, the simple presence of diversity will not get it done. The focus needs to be on excellence, NOT diversity. When I interview I don't give two hoots about what HR is telling me I have to do. I hire the BEST person for the job, no matter what our AA quota's look like, and my group kicks everyone else's tail because of that. My boss asked me just recently, "How do you do it?" Every time a group identifies themselves with a hyphen they cause animosity in this land rather than healing. We're way to strong to ever be brought down from a foreign threat outside of our borders, but we're rotting from within.

So your excellent/best team is stumped on some task and somebody off the team [by definition, inferior to the team since it is the best] sees the situation and blurts out a "why dont ya just" that jumps the hurdle. Maybe its not immediately obvious that there is genius in the blurt. It might instead be a spark that can kick your team out of its paradigm. --If theyre not just being too excellent to pay attention. This type of value is there in diversity. Its a real challenge to make effective use of it.

larry​

 

[dbdartman]

Podunkadunk - Love the road sign.

Yep! Right-click, save as!

Thank you.

Carry on.

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I think the biggest reasons for crime is the breakdown of the family and the lack of good parents as role models.

I'm sure not sold on the idea that this is the ONLY reason why our country is in the shape it's in today, it sure is a HUGE contributing factor.

I learned to respect the wishes of my parents and FEAR their wrath if I crossed a certain line. Both of those reasons are missing from the lives of far too many kids these days. The kids of today are the parents of tomorrow. How far do you suppose the NEXT generation will go?

 

[Spiveyman]

So your excellent/best team is stumped on some task and somebody off the team [by definition, inferior to the team since it is the best] sees the situation and blurts out a "why dont ya just" that jumps the hurdle. Maybe its not immediately obvious that there is genius in the blurt. It might instead be a spark that can kick your team out of its paradigm. --If theyre not just being too excellent to pay attention.

Outstanding use of subtle jabs. "...too excellent to pay attention." Good one. I understand your point about bringing a different perspective to the table when you're up against a really tough problem. I see you are an engineer as well, so we've probably had similar situations where the solution to a technical issue eludes the team assigned to fix it. And yes, there are times when someone from the "outside" can open your eyes to a new way of thinking. But lets face it, diversity doesn't mean a different way of thinking. Sure, technically that is diversity, but in today's world of PC, diversity means a different way of looking. I get applications all the time, with the buzz phrase "this is a diversity candidate." Does that mean that they take a different approach to solving my technical problems? No. Of course not, it means they don't look like me. My point is, what in the dickins does that have to do with anything relating to my job? No one is going to offer a new approach to solving my problem just because they have a different skin tone. They will offer a different approach to solving my problem because they have had different life experiences, or were educated at a different university, or they worked on a different product. How they look is irrelevant. A team of white guys working on a project could get stumped, another white guy from another team could come over and offer a new idea. Is there diversity there? Not according to AA or EO, but technically yes there was. To me "excellence" involves approaching problems from different angles, innovation demands it. So being "too excellent to pay attention" is kind of an oxymoron. If you are that narrowly focussed on solving a problem, you have not achieved excellence.

This type of value is there in diversity. Its a real challenge to make effective use of it.

My point exactly, it's a challenge to make use of the value of diversity, where as if you strive for and achieve excellence, making effective use of it is very easy. It happens naturally, even when the people involved are not very "diverse."

 

[riptides]

.... diversity is in the eye of the beholder....

Make a U turn on Podunkadunk's sign.
Carry on.
-Mike Z.

 

[dmccarty]

Once upon a time, many years ago, in the last century, I wanted to be a fighter pilot. Always wanted to do it and still do. One day, recruiters where on campus so we had a chat....

Bottom line was my eyes stinkethed and I could not fly a plane.

I could sit in the back seat though. Sorry, but if I'm going to eat the ground its because *** I *** flew into the ground not the numbnut in the front seat.

BUT, if I could show that I was some part American Indian, I think I missed by one generation and it was a tiny amount of blood, the eye requirement would be waived.

Hmmmm, let me get this right, because some part of my blood might be redder than red, that somehow overcomes my lack of ability to see?

So much for standards.

Later,
Dan

 

[Podunkadunk]

Once upon a time, many years ago, in the last century, I wanted to be a fighter pilot. Always wanted to do it and still do. One day, recruiters where on campus so we had a chat....

Bottom line was my eyes stinkethed and I could not fly a plane.

I could sit in the back seat though. Sorry, but if I'm going to eat the ground its because *** I *** flew into the ground not the numbnut in the front seat.

BUT, if I could show that I was some part American Indian, I think I missed by one generation and it was a tiny amount of blood, the eye requirement would be waived.

Hmmmm, let me get this right, because some part of my blood might be redder than red, that somehow overcomes my lack of ability to see?

So much for standards.

Later,
Dan

That's affirmative action in the military. Yes, it occurs, nope you won't find too much literature on it.

When I left the Military, I was an Instructor Flight Engineer. We were told....nevermind...I'm not going to open that can of worms. Instead, I'll relate this very applicable story.

Back in the early 90's I had a roommate who was enlisted and was going to school (off duty education) to become an officer. After he had obtained the minimum required credits, he applied for an aviation officer candidate program. He was denied. Since you can only apply yearly, the next year, he applied again. Denied. This guy was good stuff and the service was missing out by not making him an officer. Finally, an E-8 senior enlisted looked over his program application. Since they went way back together (longtime friends), the E-8 knew that my roommate's mother was 100% spanish (from Spain, because his father had married her while stationed there).

Well now...the next year he applied, he changed the check in the block from "Caucasian" to "Hispanic". Hmmm, I bet you can guess what the board said:

APPROVED!

His callsign today is G-Money. He will tell you to this day (over 12 years have passed) that his being accepted was because of that little check in the "Hispanic" block.

Funny how those things work out! If two candidates of similar qualifications are competing for a program such as this and one is of an "other" ethnicity...you can bet your bottom dollar that he or she will be the one to get the appointment.