Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota?

   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #351  
I have been following this thread sort of....and after looking at the picks again and looking at my Kubota fleet....I think these weld issues are minor. Nothing in this world is perfect and if you wanted clean perfect welds.....get some riveted tractor or something. Every new Kubota I have ever paid for has been delivered with some type of imperfection, and I am talking about more than a few machines. Hopefulyy this thread will not diminish the Kubota quality brand as it seems, at least to me, this thread is not entirely justified. Like grandma always said......we all eat a pound of dirt in our lives.


This is how the auto industry got in the shape it's in. Folks turned a blind eye and said it was good enough. The import people knew better; that very few who trade their dollars for goods will long tolerate a substandard product either in performance, appearance or both. Wait until our standard of living catches up with the substandard errors of our ways. No, wait, it's doing that now.
That loader was USA manufactured and by complaining and forcing the issue is doing more good for this country and it's workers than by looking the other way. I doubt many more loaders will get out looking that way.
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #352  
Good news! I just received a message from my dealer that the new loader is in and that it looks great. :)

Congratulations. Not only do you deserve a new loader, you have earned my respect for the manner in which you handled this situation, and deserve an "Attaboy" too.
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #353  
I have been following this thread sort of....and after looking at the picks again and looking at my Kubota fleet....I think these weld issues are minor. Nothing in this world is perfect and if you wanted clean perfect welds.....get some riveted tractor or something. Every new Kubota I have ever paid for has been delivered with some type of imperfection, and I am talking about more than a few machines. Hopefulyy this thread will not diminish the Kubota quality brand as it seems, at least to me, this thread is not entirely justified. Like grandma always said......we all eat a pound of dirt in our lives.

Since you've been following this thread "sort of" why don't you go back and look, I mean really look at the pictures. particularly the one where the metal being welded was missed on one side.

I've stated earlier, the welds on my 724 loader are perfect. The OP's welds and overall build quality are totally unacceptable IMO.

I wouldn't eat this pound of dirt.

Bandaman,
Good on you for sticking up for yourself and the rest of us.
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #354  
I've followed along with all of you (to the best of my ability)

I am amazed however at the lynch mob forming over this. Two and a half months isn't a long time to obtain resolution. Everyone seemed to agree about the need for quality, wouldn't you agree also that a thorough investigation is important to identify the causes needing change as well as to ultimately give customer support?

What would the comments be if a new loader was given out quickly in exchange only to find that the welds may have looked good- but were dressed up to avoid further complaints? Sometimes the "squeaky wheel" idea doesn't get us the best resolution possible.:confused:

Now granted, I am just as impatient (and my wife reminds me of this). I've dealt with my share of quality issues in large purchases- especially the phone calls and e-mails and showing up on the door step approach.:eek:

People tend to like the idea of a second opinion in medicine, wanting to be assured what the problem is- before accepting the quickest remedy. But obviously, a number of people are involved who need to review all of the information available and perhaps obtain more info before a decision may be made.

Who knows what the true underlying problem is. A guy I know (a welder) said to me once "The difference between an ugly looking weld and a good looking weld is an angle grinder. The only way to tell a structurally sound weld is by x-ray".:rolleyes:

besides, how many of us who complain about quality, are just as diligent about ensuring our "end product" is flawless when we work?:D
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #355  
I've followed along with all of you (to the best of my ability)

I am amazed however at the lynch mob forming over this. Two and a half months isn't a long time to obtain resolution. Everyone seemed to agree about the need for quality, wouldn't you agree also that a thorough investigation is important to identify the causes needing change as well as to ultimately give customer support?

What would the comments be if a new loader was given out quickly in exchange only to find that the welds may have looked good- but were dressed up to avoid further complaints? Sometimes the "squeaky wheel" idea doesn't get us the best resolution possible.:confused:

Now granted, I am just as impatient (and my wife reminds me of this). I've dealt with my share of quality issues in large purchases- especially the phone calls and e-mails and showing up on the door step approach.:eek:

People tend to like the idea of a second opinion in medicine, wanting to be assured what the problem is- before accepting the quickest remedy. But obviously, a number of people are involved who need to review all of the information available and perhaps obtain more info before a decision may be made.

Who knows what the true underlying problem is. A guy I know (a welder) said to me once "The difference between an ugly looking weld and a good looking weld is an angle grinder. The only way to tell a structurally sound weld is by x-ray".:rolleyes:

besides, how many of us who complain about quality, are just as diligent about ensuring our "end product" is flawless when we work?:D
I think it has been clear to most of us from day one what the problem was.
I think it was clear to Kubota too.

"The difference between an ugly looking weld and a good looking weld is an angle grinder."

Truly a good welder would not say that.
A good weld is a work of art and can't be duplicated with the angle grinder. Certainly a good welder does not have to grind his welds. I would not want all my welds ground down. But that is just my opinion.
 
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   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #356  
I am amazed however at the lynch mob forming over this. Two and a half months isn't a long time to obtain resolution. Everyone seemed to agree about the need for quality, wouldn't you agree also that a thorough investigation is important to identify the causes needing change as well as to ultimately give customer support?

People tend to like the idea of a second opinion in medicine, wanting to be assured what the problem is- before accepting the quickest remedy. But obviously, a number of people are involved who need to review all of the information available and perhaps obtain more info before a decision may be made.

Who knows what the true underlying problem is. A guy I know (a welder) said to me once "The difference between an ugly looking weld and a good looking weld is an angle grinder. The only way to tell a structurally sound weld is by x-ray".:rolleyes:

besides, how many of us who complain about quality, are just as diligent about ensuring our "end product" is flawless when we work?:D

I agree on the root cause investigation, but also remember many folks here have been told many things over past products that failed to live up to quality over the years, and never got any resolution. They where lead down many roads only to be back where they began. The web has change many things now, as more viewers are now aware of the individuals plight. He continued to keep us updated and informed so that we the end user could ascertain how the company was addressing his quality concerns. I am sure this did not go un-noticed in Kubota head quarters. I do wonder how quick it would have been resolved with a letter and no public notice though.
Oh and as far as the only way to tell the quality of a good weld requires more than radiography (Xray) as we also have been examining welds since the late 60's with ultra sound at various angles to actually see inside the weld. Many times with Xray because its one dimensional, you have a potential of masking more serious flaws, such as a mid wall slag inclusion which could mask lack of penetration at the root, as the two indications on a piece of film would be stacked on top of each other, so the likely hood of seeing the LOP would be overlooked, and in many codes, some amounts of slag is permissible. This is why ultrasound is now so widely used throughout many industrys that have a high level of public trust and safety. Furthermore you can accurately measure the length of the indication within thousands.
It would be great if we could rely on only one test to determine the quality of a weld, but all critical welds must pass a series of testing to ensure integrity. The first inline is a visual examination, where one looks for spatter, crater cracks, excessive reinforcement, undercut, and a few more detrimental defects, these must be corrected before the next test begins, which would be a surface examination. Many of you that may be familiar with modified engine building also use these techniques in their projects. These surface exams consist of two vary different techniques, but the results are almost always the same. The first is liquid dye penetrant examination mostly used on stainless steel or finished welds, and the other is magnetic particle testing. Both are very mobile and can be performed in the field. The dye test can pick up hairline cracks which may not be visible to the eye, and its based on contrast to make these indication visible to the viewer, magnetic particle can also detect subsurface indications, but it must be very shallow ( we are talking wave lengths) Any indication detected by these two methods must be corrected, and those areas must once again be visually tested, and re-examined with the method that detected the original indication before it can proceed to the volumetric exam, which as you stated would be xray, or ultrasound, as these methods can see inside the weld. Xray is mostly used as a base line exam, because you will always have a piece of film as a record for the life of the weld, but as technology continues to evolve, we now can save ultrasonic data as well to an optical disc.
Think of a heart monitor and the ekg image, this is the sound wave that is produced within a weld, but as the sound bounces off the root, or counterbore, it creates somewhat of a pattern in the sound wave image. And as the sound increases in height on the screen, we can now apply a color to that height which is known as signal amplitude, the width of the screen is time or depth. So anytime a crack appears within a weld, you receive a signal that basically paints in a pretty color and is not consistent with the rest of the image. There is a little more to it, but thats a simple way to explain it.
Ultrasound is used in many industries because its also very mobile and quick to perform, one industry that uses it on almost all its products it the tire industry, they check for steel belt placement and voids in the rubber, they also use it measure fat content on farm animals going to market.
But it DOES require more than one test to determine and acceptable weld depending on its use. Oh and in my industry, its my job to ensure your welds are FLAWLESS, as the public depends on my work (And yours). I am very diligent at my job for what I see and do could affect millions of people for a very long time, We look for folks that take shortcuts in their work, and deal with them accordingly. This industry pays people generously that take their jobs seriously, and can maintain a high level of professionalism and integrity. There is a very good chance I have worked close to your home, and your saftey depended on my diligence in doing my job.
I will leave it at that and let you figure out where to look to see what it is I do. But I would perfer if you where to think about it before you looked, and see if you can figure out what my job is. I would suggest diligence in everything you do, it will not go unnoticed if you do your job to the best of your abilty all the time and you will always sleep better at night knowing you did your best.
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #357  
Jeeze, seems like people here are making a huge thing about this. What people have thought about a poor weld and other post delivery nicks has turned into a rant about everything. How about if I take pictures of all my Kubota machines and find what some would call a crappy weld?? Are we all going to condemn Kubota for all of their other product lines and carry that sentiment over to everything else Kubota as well?? Would I find one, without a doubt. And probably most others would to. Regarding "sort of", I am now amazed at what some people have taken this thread to....the outer limits of what is acceptable quality for a quality forum like this one. I mean come on, we are moaning....most of the time of the many hundreds of posts....about relativley (here we go again...) minor issues on one of Kubotas smallest tractors. The complaints are bigger than the tractor. I guess I don't see the structural errors that are being claimed as fact?? Where?? Put a red arrow on the pics please. I truely do not believe a dealer would allow a lawsuit to leave the dealership having the expertise to ID a potential problem and to have someone buying a small homeowner machine dictate otherwise. Good thing that dealership is not where I shop, and I bet they roll their eyes when people tell them how to build a Kubota. Why are there no other threads like this one? I have never seen one? And all the machines they make, no threads like this one. Time to grind this thread down like the proverbial bad weld.
 
   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #358  
Jeeze, seems like people here are making a huge thing about this. What people have thought about a poor weld and other post delivery nicks has turned into a rant about everything. How about if I take pictures of all my Kubota machines and find what some would call a crappy weld?? Are we all going to condemn Kubota for all of their other product lines and carry that sentiment over to everything else Kubota as well?? Would I find one, without a doubt. And probably most others would to. Regarding "sort of", I am now amazed at what some people have taken this thread to....the outer limits of what is acceptable quality for a quality forum like this one. I mean come on, we are moaning....most of the time of the many hundreds of posts....about relativley (here we go again...) minor issues on one of Kubotas smallest tractors. The complaints are bigger than the tractor. I guess I don't see the structural errors that are being claimed as fact?? Where?? Put a red arrow on the pics please. I truely do not believe a dealer would allow a lawsuit to leave the dealership having the expertise to ID a potential problem and to have someone buying a small homeowner machine dictate otherwise. Good thing that dealership is not where I shop, and I bet they roll their eyes when people tell them how to build a Kubota. Why are there no other threads like this one? I have never seen one? And all the machines they make, no threads like this one. Time to grind this thread down like the proverbial bad weld.

curtisfarmer You haven't seen a thread like this because no one has welds like this. I think the difference is this,
You said
"How about if I take pictures of all my Kubota machines" You have more then one tractor and probably have five different guys using them. It's nothing more then a company tool for you.
If you look in the early pictures of his old tractor nice and clean like new next to his boat in his nice garage on his nice epoxy floor. Your machines right now are probably out in the snow. And that's OK it just a tool for you, nothing wrong with that at all. Some people myself included treat their tractor different then if we used it just for a living. I use mine just as hard as the next guy but I also treat it like a 61 vette in the garage, I know to you that sounds silly , it's only a tractor, But it's my tractor. it's Bandmans tractor. I think that is why some people here on this site care about Kubota quality on their tractors.

But I for one would love to see the welds on your other machines ,
I would be very very surprised if you can even come close to Bandmans pictures
I think prove yourself right to all of us and show us the pictures of your bad welds on all your Kubotas.
Bandmans didn't show you one bad weld between all of his machines. All of Bandmans welds are bad on ONE loader , yes his brand new loader, that will look that way for twenty years like new because he is a Kubota owner that wants to take care of his work/toy machine , and there's nothing wrong with that either.

To this date No one has showed us their welds that look like Bandmans on his Kubota. Everyone says not a big deal but No one shows us the pictures, you have five machines or so lets see the pictures. Please show us how wrong we are and make us look silly.
I will be the first to say to you, I'm sorry you are right if you can prove to the 30,000 views that you have welds just as bad on all your machines as Bandmans
 
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   / Is this acceptable quality on a brand new Kubota? #359  
Jeeze, seems like people here are making a huge thing about this. What people have thought about a poor weld and other post delivery nicks has turned into a rant about everything. How about if I take pictures of all my Kubota machines and find what some would call a crappy weld?? Are we all going to condemn Kubota for all of their other product lines and carry that sentiment over to everything else Kubota as well?? Would I find one, without a doubt. And probably most others would to. Regarding "sort of", I am now amazed at what some people have taken this thread to....the outer limits of what is acceptable quality for a quality forum like this one. I mean come on, we are moaning....most of the time of the many hundreds of posts....about relativley (here we go again...) minor issues on one of Kubotas smallest tractors. The complaints are bigger than the tractor. I guess I don't see the structural errors that are being claimed as fact?? Where?? Put a red arrow on the pics please. I truely do not believe a dealer would allow a lawsuit to leave the dealership having the expertise to ID a potential problem and to have someone buying a small homeowner machine dictate otherwise. Good thing that dealership is not where I shop, and I bet they roll their eyes when people tell them how to build a Kubota. Why are there no other threads like this one? I have never seen one? And all the machines they make, no threads like this one. Time to grind this thread down like the proverbial bad weld.


Just think, if you had bought this loader this thread wouldn't exist. Nobody is saying welds this bad are common for Kubota. What is clear here is that Bandaman got a pretty crummy product and deserves satisfaction. I don't know anybody that would be happy paying full price for this, except you possibly.
 

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