JD 1050 - LABOR COST for cleaning and reinstalling injectors?

[farmer marx]

I have a JD 1050 (I believe it is 20 + years old) with a 3-cylincer Yanmar engine. The JD dealer replace the fuel injector pump (that I bought) and now wants to 'clean' the injectors.
The estimate he game me seems way too high.
Does anyone know how many hours it would take to install the three injectors?
I am considering buying new ones (they don't seem too expensive) but I am concerned about the labor cost for installing them.

Thank you (I am new to this kind of world, just took over a small farm from my retired father-in-law who is no longer physically and mentally able.)

Farmer Marx

 

[beenthere]

If you know how to replace the injectors, then do it.
But if you don't, then I myself would not, nor recommend to you, to do them.

What was the reason/problem that the injector pump was replaced ?? Hopefully the dealer isn't just replacing parts and hoping to solve the problem. i.e. the injector pump didn't solve it so now trying new injectors. If that original problem didn't get fixed, and you do the injectors and still there is a problem, then you own the problem. If the dealer doesn't solve the problem after new pump and new injectors, seems they own the problem. Not a fun position to be in, but you want a good running 1050 in the end.

The JD 1050 was made '80 to '89, so 30+ yrs old.

TractorData.com John Deere 1050 tractor information

www.tractordata.com

 

[farmer marx]

If you know how to replace the injectors, then do it.
But if you don't, then I myself would not, nor recommend to you, to do them.

What was the reason/problem that the injector pump was replaced ?? Hopefully the dealer isn't just replacing parts and hoping to solve the problem. i.e. the injector pump didn't solve it so now trying new injectors. If that original problem didn't get fixed, and you do the injectors and still there is a problem, then you own the problem. If the dealer doesn't solve the problem after new pump and new injectors, seems they own the problem. Not a fun position to be in, but you want a good running 1050 in the end.

The JD 1050 was made '80 to '89, so 30+ yrs old.

TractorData.com John Deere 1050 tractor information

www.tractordata.com

Thank you, the situation is easier and more complicated. I simply suspect a mega scam by the JD dealer who took it in and now wants to skin me alive.
He was supposed to replace the fuel pump and clean up the fuel tank and lines. I provided the part. A month and a half later ("we are backed up") he told me that the foreman left the shop but that before leaving had removed ONE injector and cleaned it up. Total labor for the injector only: 8 hours at $135.hr. Now they want authorization to clean the other 2 injectors at the price of $1000 each (mind you, not even replace with new ones, just clean up.)
If you are familiar with this engine, the injectors sit right on top. I have the big repair manual and it looks like a 4 step operation. Nothing complicated, but, since I don't know if there are particular precautions, I am not going to try myself. Moreover, I don't have the tool to check pressure and don't know how to set the timing.
Do you have any advice on how many hours it would take to complete this job?
Thank you in advance.

Farmer Marx

 

[Hay Dude]

Thank you, the situation is easier and more complicated. I simply suspect a mega scam by the JD dealer who took it in and now wants to skin me alive.
He was supposed to replace the fuel pump and clean up the fuel tank and lines. I provided the part. A month and a half later ("we are backed up") he told me that the foreman left the shop but that before leaving had removed ONE injector and cleaned it up. Total labor for the injector only: 8 hours at $135.hr. Now they want authorization to clean the other 2 injectors at the price of $1000 each (mind you, not even replace with new ones, just clean up.)
If you are familiar with this engine, the injectors sit right on top. I have the big repair manual and it looks like a 4 step operation. Nothing complicated, but, since I don't know if there are particular precautions, I am not going to try myself. Moreover, I don't have the tool to check pressure and don't know how to set the timing.
Do you have any advice on how many hours it would take to complete this job?
Thank you in advance.

Farmer Marx

You ARE being skinned alive.

 

[farmer marx]

If you know how to replace the injectors, then do it.
But if you don't, then I myself would not, nor recommend to you, to do them.

What was the reason/problem that the injector pump was replaced ?? Hopefully the dealer isn't just replacing parts and hoping to solve the problem. i.e. the injector pump didn't solve it so now trying new injectors. If that original problem didn't get fixed, and you do the injectors and still there is a problem, then you own the problem. If the dealer doesn't solve the problem after new pump and new injectors, seems they own the problem. Not a fun position to be in, but you want a good running 1050 in the end.

The JD 1050 was made '80 to '89, so 30+ yrs old.

TractorData.com John Deere 1050 tractor information

www.tractordata.com

In my previous answer I should have clarified that there was some kind of debris that ended up in the fuel pump and ruined it. When they cleaned the tank the dealer said they found algaes and specs of dirt. From what I understand, the foreman decided to clean up also the injectors, but it is not clear if he did it because the problem was still there, or if he did it "just in case" the injectors were dirty.
The fact that the foreman is no longer working there makes it easier for the dealer to claim ignorance about the various steps.
And I am stuck with questions and nobody to answer them.
Thank you again.
Farmer Marx

 

[farmer marx]

You ARE being skinned alive.

Thank you for confirming that. Do you have any idea how many hours it would take to replace the injectors?

 

[tacticalturnip]

$135/hour in labor? That is rough...

 

[arto98607]

I am not familiar with 1980 - 1989 JD 1050 other than looked at the specs, but it's no big deal to remove & reinstall injectors, if the injection system is similar to my Ford & Kubota shown in photos below.

If you have the proper tools just follow the instructions in the "big" manual you already have and take them to local Diesel injection shop to be checked out & rebuilt if needed.

Depending who is doing the job, maybe up to 1 hour to remove all three of them, and up to 1.5 hrs. to reinstall?


Injection timing is not affected by injector removal & reinstall.


1986 Ford 1310




1996 Kubota F3060

 

[R Barger]

New injectors are only $118.95 each at Hoyetractor.com who sells Yanmar/John Deere parts. East to change if not stuck. Hoye also sells a removal tool.

 

[Hay Dude]

Thank you for confirming that. Do you have any idea how many hours it would take to replace the injectors?

I could do them in an hour IF they’re old school mechanical injectors. Did my DTA466 injectors in my dump truck (upgraded to bigger injectors) in a few hours.

 

[Hay Dude]

$135/hour in labor? That is rough...

Welcome to the wonderful world of equipment ownership.

Once you drop your equipment off to them, they have you by the nutz. You better be ready to stand up to them, because they’ll fleece you if they‘re dishonest.

Post covid labor rates are much higher because service trucks guzzle diesel fuel and everyone’s wages went up. Parts & lubricants went up (if you can get them) and shipping went up. Steel went up.


My advice to the OP to is go get his tractor and DIY or find a dealer who doesn’t specialize in taking advantage of their customers.

 

[tacticalturnip]

Welcome to the wonderful world of equipment ownership.

Once you drop your equipment off to them, they have you by the nutz. You better be ready to stand up to them, because they’ll fleece you if they‘re dishonest.

Post covid labor rates are much higher because service trucks guzzle diesel fuel and everyone’s wages went up. Parts & lubricants went up (if you can get them) and shipping went up. Steel went up.

The last time I brought a machine in for Labor it was $80 for L&G and $100 for larger equipment. Of course that was before $4.99/gal gasoline and $6.99 diesel, you know, 9 months ago.

 

[rScotty]

New injectors are only $118.95 each at Hoyetractor.com who sells Yanmar/John Deere parts. East to change if not stuck. Hoye also sells a removal tool.

And there is your answer Farmer Marx. That is a Yanmar and the JD/Yanmar 1050 was a premium tractor. A good one. Still is. And not only is it a model made to be rebuilt and serviced indefinitely, it is only 30 years old! Wish I was so young.

Yanmar is top of the line - which is why JD picked them no doubt...... but to fix it, go to a Yanmar shop for vintage Yanmars like Hoyetractor. Buy new injectors and rent the puller from him. Yes, you will need that special puller. Definitely.

Assuming that you know how to work a puller and when to stop and back off and when to pull harder.... well, it's about a one hour job to replace the three if you have done it before. . If you want to take three hours to to do it you can get the njector mounts surgically clean, pattern the spray against a piece of cardboard, check them for the "injection break pressure" (if you have the tool) and still have time to wash and wax the tractor.

There's really nothing else to do. It's what a real mechanic calls a "bread and butter" job.
Someone is either pulling your leg or trying to take serious advantage. Deal with a vintage Yanmar group. There are a number of them .... in fact there is one on this forum.

rScotty

 

[farmer marx]

I am not familiar with 1980 - 1989 JD 1050 other than looked at the specs, but it's no big deal to remove & reinstall injectors, if the injection system is similar to my Ford & Kubota shown in photos below.

If you have the proper tools just follow the instructions in the "big" manual you already have and take them to local Diesel injection shop to be checked out & rebuilt if needed.

Depending who is doing the job, maybe up to 1 hour to remove all three of them, and up to 1.5 hrs. to reinstall?


Injection timing is not affected by injector removal & reinstall.


1986 Ford 1310

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1996 Kubota F3060

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Thank you. The injectors are right on top of the engine and it does look like an easy job in the tech/repair manual.

 

[farmer marx]

And there is your answer Farmer Marx. That is a Yanmar and the JD/Yanmar 1050 was a premium tractor. A good one. Still is. And not only is it a model made to be rebuilt and serviced indefinitely, it is only 30 years old! Wish I was so young.

Yanmar is top of the line - which is why JD picked them no doubt...... but to fix it, go to a Yanmar shop for vintage Yanmars like Hoyetractor. Buy new injectors and rent the puller from him. Yes, you will need that special puller. Definitely.

Assuming that you know how to work a puller and when to stop and back off and when to pull harder.... well, it's about a one hour job to replace the three if you have done it before. . If you want to take three hours to to do it you can get the njector mounts surgically clean, pattern the spray against a piece of cardboard, check them for the "injection break pressure" (if you have the tool) and still have time to wash and wax the tractor.

There's really nothing else to do. It's what a real mechanic calls a "bread and butter" job.
Someone is either pulling your leg or trying to take serious advantage. Deal with a vintage Yanmar group. There are a number of them .... in fact there is one on this forum.

rScotty

Thank you very much. There is a Yanmar dealer not too far from here but they insist they only service brands they sell and since my tractor is a JD they won't touch it. I know, it sounds nuts. Go figure. I will call around to see if other tractor service shops in the area can do the job (everybody is so backed up their voice mailbox are full). Your suggestions were very very useful.

 

[farmer marx]

New injectors are only $118.95 each at Hoyetractor.com who sells Yanmar/John Deere parts. East to change if not stuck. Hoye also sells a removal tool.

Thank you very much for your suggestions and the tips. I will have the job done by someone who knows what he is doing because, as another member mentioned, a injector puller tool is required for this kind of job and I don't want to screw it up. I appreciate your taking the time to send those links.

 

[farmer marx]

$135/hour in labor? That is rough...

Of course it is, that's the kind of money you would expect to pay in Manhattan not in Western rural Massachusetts.

 

[rScotty]

Thank you very much. There is a Yanmar dealer not too far from here but they insist they only service brands they sell and since my tractor is a JD they won't touch it. I know, it sounds nuts. Go figure. I will call around to see if other tractor service shops in the area can do the job (everybody is so backed up their voice mailbox are full). Your suggestions were very very useful.

Not a modern Yanmar dealer. Modern dealers are salesmen, not mechanical guys - as you have found out at JD.

What you want is a VINTAGE or CLASSIC Yanmar dealer. There is a huge difference. Go down to the vintage Yanmar forum

Yanmar

Discuss classic and grey market Yanmar tractors and equipment!

www.tractorbynet.com

or go to Hoyetractor.com online.

best luck,
rScotty

and lucky for you, this one is easy....you are just trying to work with the wrong team.
So far you have been asking mechanical questions of salesmen. Might as well be talking physics to a duck.
You need mechanical guys.

 

[farmer marx]

Not a modern Yanmar dealer. Modern dealers are salesmen, not mechanical guys - as you have found out at JD.

What you want is a VINTAGE or CLASSIC Yanmar dealer. There is a huge difference. Go down to the vintage Yanmar forum

Yanmar

Discuss classic and grey market Yanmar tractors and equipment!

www.tractorbynet.com

or go to Hoyetractor.com online.

best luck,
rScotty

and lucky for you, this one is easy....you are just trying to work with the wrong team.
So far you have been asking mechanical questions of salesmen. Might as well be talking physics to a duck.
You need mechanical guys.

Excellent advice, I will follow your suggestions. Thank you very much. I am not a spring chicken myself and I thought that my
preference for older, skilled people and old equipment was just because I can't keep up.

 

[newbury]

Your location is listed as brattleboro, Vt. Ask your extension service or the Vermont Farm Bureau to recommend a mechanic. Swapping injectors - with the right tools - is just a little more difficult than changing spark plugs - as long as you don't have to drop the engine for access.
/edit - And don't do what I did on my IDI 7.3 Ford - Don't get air in the injector lines - it took me a LONG tome cranking to bleed it out!!