JD 2305 vs. BX24

[_RaT_]

"Sorry Deere dosent offer plastic in crictical areas such as a floor board or fenders. Denpending on the model the hood is 50% or more metal as well"

I see where I went wrong reading your post, I assumed when you said "Deere doesnt offer plastic in critical areas such as a floor board or fenders" that you were actually saying "Deere doesn't offer plastic on specific models" but do offer it on many of their tractors. My apologies...

 

[john_bud]

Messick,

Who said the 2305 was never designed for a backhoe? I would like to know where you got that "fact". Deere usually is not the first to the marketplace with anything - because they spend the time needed in R&D and testing, before they bring it out. I would also like to know, especially if you have never actually seen one, you could say that the factory mounted Kubota backhoe is better than a dealer installed Deere? How about when the 2305 is available as a factory TLB later this year? Will that somehow change how well it was engineered???

I would like to know exactly what the "draw backs"(your words) are between the two designs? On one hand you have never seen it, on the other hand you are sure that the Kubota design is somehow superior. Have you seen the specifications on the two units? Have you tried to move the dipperstick on the Kubota when the engine is at idle? Have you dug a trench with either unit???

I know I have not been on TBN that long, but I have yet to see a Deere dealer slam the Kubota, yet you seem to attack the Deere equipment at every opportunity. They skew their specs, they play with their numbers, they have videos that are not true, etc. The fact is - Kubota makes good equipment. Deere makes good equipment. Give the customer the facts, not made up stories, and let them decide what unit is best for them. After all, it is thier money they are spending.

That's a very harsh post. You need to read his post and your post closely. One of you two is not playing nice. One of you two needs to switch to decaf.

As far as "drawbacks", did you see the part about the fixed ROPS? I can't imagine JD designing a tractor where you are about guaranteed to smack your head on the ROPS, can you? Unless, adding the BH was an afterthought. Was pointing that out an "attack"? Was saying that the swivel seat is "not perfect" an attack? You need to chill out.

jb

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

As far as "drawbacks", did you see the part about the fixed ROPS? I can't imagine JD designing a tractor where you are about guaranteed to smack your head on the ROPS, can you? Unless, adding the BH was an afterthought. Was pointing that out an "attack"? Was saying that the swivel seat is "not perfect" an attack? You need to chill out.

I'm not so much knocking the machine, just pointing out a simple drawbacls to doing this the way that they are. We do the same thing with the New Holland TZ's when adding a Woods backhoe which is very simular to the one Deere is going to be selling. Given he choice of a Kubota with a higher and wider rollbar, a seat the moves much more nicly, an easier attachment system and a lower price because of substantialy lower setup costs virtualy no one decides to add a backhoe to a TZ. I suspect Deere is going to have some of the same problems, maybe not... time will tell. Right now we all really know very little about this thing.

I can't imagine JD designing a tractor where you are about guaranteed to smack your head on the ROPS, can you?

Unless they are going to replace the roll bar this will probably be the case. Its a real inconvienance when we've added a backhoe to any tractor with a standard fixed roll bar. The BX24 is higher and also wider. I guess they could replace the roll bar alltogether, but they typicaly cost a good $600 to replace and no dealer will dare to weld on one because of liabilty concerns. This is what lead me to point out that this seems like an afterthought.

 

[_RaT_]

I am glad to see post like this pop up as I am considering downsizing once again. Who ever said "you can never have to much tractor" never worked small areas. I do plan to look at the JD 2305 size tractor. On our JD 410D back hoe we managed to snap the rear wheel off from the axle hub today and it wasn't even plastic. Imagine that....

 

[JDFANATIC]

Almost all manufactuers offer at least a dual hydraulic pump. One for steering the other for implement. The BX I believe does not. That can be good or bad depending on how you use your tractor. With a relatively light tractor, it is less of a concern. The advantage is that with the BX's pump rated at 6.3 GPM versus the JD 2305 at 2.7 or 2.3 GPM as I recall, you can expect faster loader cycles when not turning. The down side would be that in a turn with a load, while using the loader, steering may be more difficult. Rather then concern myself with things like this, my concern would be over the simaltaneous use of the loader lift/lower and dump curl function. I was using a JD 790 once where I could not do a lower/curl at the same time. Thinking there was something wrong, I checked into it only to find that model did not offer it. A real minus for one who uses the loader considerably. I do not know if the BX or the JD 2305 offer this. It would be a deal killer for me. You guys do have me curioous about the 2305 and I will have to check it out. What is the HST like? Smooth, quiet, made of aluminum or cast iron? Rat.

Actually the 2305s pump is rated at 5.2 gpm.

 

[_RaT_]

Actually the 2305s pump is rated at 5.2 gpm.

Thanks. I saw something on the website as you guys sparked my interest in this little tractor. I thought it said approx 2.3 for one half and 2.8 for the other half. At any rate, I have confidence that JD would not design it such that it performed so poorly as not to be competitive.

 

[workinallthetime]

Boy you have opened a can of worms here, lol. I bought the bx23 and not the deere for the simple reason of cost not only up front but the cost of parts. My dad is a loyal jd guy and so was I until this. I went to the kubota dealership to get filters for my bx air/oil/hydro and walked out of there for around 25.00. I have always donr the services on my dads tractors and the same filters for his 455 would have been about 50 bucks. I have used and abused my kubota on my little 2 acres and it just keeps on going I now use it as a money making tool and its making it !!! I can go where others cant, I can do what people dont want to do, its great. I have about 300 hours on it and the only thing i've had to replace was my bh bucket teeth due to breaking 4" of ice on my neighbors entire driveway due to a ice storm we had, now i have a tooth bar so that wont be an issue. The 3 teeth were 87.00 and easy to put on. Its been my experience that if its green your going to pay alot more for paint !! Im looking at a 0 turn mower next and jd green is 1500 more for the same thing, again kubota wins.

happy diggin and remember you cant rollerskate in a buffalo herd

 

[workinallthetime]

oh ya i just got a deal in the mail from kubota credit 0% apr for 3 years so check your dealer about that

 

[JDCOMPACTMAN]

oh ya i just got a deal in the mail from kubota credit 0% apr for 3 years so check your dealer about that

I Wonder If Kubota Charges Their Dealers A Participation Fee On Financing
They Offer To The Customers? John Deere Does! 0% For 36 Months/No Down Payment Costs The Dealer 1.85% Of Amount Financed!Doesn't Sound Like Much,But Take A 20,000 Dollar Tractor That's $370.00 Out Of The Dealer's
Pocket Just To Offer That Program.

 

[Cliff_Johns]

I Wonder If Kubota Charges Their Dealers A Participation Fee On Financing
They Offer To The Customers? John Deere Does! 0% For 36 Months/No Down Payment Costs The Dealer 1.85% Of Amount Financed!Doesn't Sound Like Much,But Take A 20,000 Dollar Tractor That's $370.00 Out Of The Dealer's
Pocket Just To Offer That Program.

That''s interesting. When I bought mine at 0%(JD), the dealer specifically said it made no difference to him if I paid by check or used the 0%. He said I should use the 0% and use the cash for something else. So I did.

Cliff