JD 4410 want to instal 72" belly mower. What am I in for?

hobby_jebb · Mar 5, 2016

I have a JD 4410 with 430 FEL and 47 backhoe. I am looking at a used JD 72" MMM that came off a 4310. It is said that it should fit.
Mower comes with the mower brackets (arms), front linkages, gearbox, and PTO shaft it is advertised as a 540 RPM PTO.
I know I need a mid mount PTO I think LVB25291, but that says 2000 rmp. Hmm so I am befuddled about that.
Any idea what else I am in for?
How will this mower lift up and down?
Do the mower linkages hook directly to the 4410? Or do I need some kind of mower linkage kit for the tractor?
I am pretty handy. Is this something I can do myself?

beenthere · Mar 5, 2016

hobby
As I see it, both tractors have the same frame. And both have Mid PTO of 2000 rpm.. Don't understand the 540 rpm PTO advertised.
Should be a direct hookup if you get the mid mount PTO kit.

Deere Dude · Mar 5, 2016

Would the gearbox on the mower take it from 2000 to 540?

zzvyb6 · Mar 5, 2016

The mid-pto driven mowers use a 2250 rpm propshaft (21 spline -I'll have to look and count mine). If your gearbox is expecting a 540 6 spline pto, then a gearbox is added to your rear pto and a shaft is run forward to the MMM input. You need to know what rotation direction your mower requires relative to facing forward. Otherwise you are in for some serious head scratching. The mower deck, blades and gearboxes are interchangable with the F930-F935 and F11?? mower decks with slightly different mounting configurations.

Your mower is raised and lowered via linkages and rods that are drawn up by the lower 3pt arms. The retraction arms can be pinned in case you need the 3pt for other duties. That is, assuming you have the proper frame drop plates.

waycoolmarine · Mar 5, 2016

the mid pto is 2000 rpm might be hard to find if your tractor doesn't have , you need a scv valve on back and a lift kit with more brackets and a cylinder that mount and stay on the tractor , also may be obsolete in kit form from jd so real pricey in pieces. { I have a mount kit and cylinder} contact me waycoolmarine@aol.com but your tractor needs scv and you need mid pto the above posts refer to larger tractors the 3 point lift attachments don't work on this series tractor they start at 4500/4510 which is the next size

hobby_jebb · Mar 8, 2016

Yikes.
The 72" mower I want to buy was taken off a 4210. They brought the gent's tractor in and removed the stuff from it. So I assume the "stuff" are all the linkages and such that in need to get this to work. I am also thinking the statement about a 540 PTO mower must be incorrect as it was being used with a mid mount PTO on the 4210..which I am sure would be the larger RPM. As far as the SCV goes, I have the cluster of 4 for the loader. I also have 1 in the back that is used for my backhoe...I think they call it power beyond. There is like a jumper hose hose that us used when the backhoe is off, which allows the 3pt arms to go up and down. When the backhoe is on, then the bypass hose is unhooked, and the backhoe is plugged in. So it sounds like I would NOT have the SCV at the back of the tractor. Not sure i am linking where this is going

beenthere · Mar 8, 2016

Sounds workable with what you have and what the belly mower came of of (4210). You can add a 3rd SCV if you need to, and all depends on how bad you want a belly mower.

larboc · Mar 8, 2016

I'm in a similar boat with my 4300 I bought. I have the rear scv but didn't get most of the brackets for the mounting the 72" mower. I decided I'll be time and money ahead to sell the belly mower and buy a good used 318 to mow the yard. If you have to buy the parts from the dealer it adds up to several thousand dollars. I've been striking out trying to find the parts used. Good luck and I'll be interested to see what you find! I've seen a lift setup that works on the 3-point referenced but I don't believe it actually exists for the 4300, not sure about the 4410 but sounds like the same issue.

patchnball · Mar 8, 2016

I have 72 mmm on my 4400. I use two ports off the front loader to raise and lower mower deck....came from dealer like that. Yes you will need mounting brackets. The raise/ lower cylinder is under the left side of floor board as you sit on tractor. Hoses go under tractor and connect into the loader connectors. NOT sure where you are but I don't use my mower at all. Could part with it along with all hardware and brackets if you are interested. Looks to be plug and play as long as you have mid PTO and loader hookups.

beenthere · Mar 8, 2016

Always helps if the member updates his/her profile with location... helps when answering questions to know at least a state and/or a general location. Also, makes reading posts more enjoyable to have at least an idea.

hobby_jebb · Mar 8, 2016

Good point on the profile location. Taken care of.

pmsmechanic · Mar 9, 2016

The third SCV is already there on a 4410. It's in the same valve body as the fel remotes. All you need to do is buy the lever from John Deere and hook it up. As far as the remote outlets go you could buy the parts form Deere but to make up your own bracket and hoses is cheaper. You could even hook up the mmm mower cylinder directly to the valve body without going through the remote outlets.

When looking for parts get the part number and google it. You never know what you can find. I wanted a mid pto for my 4410. I googled the part number for the kit and found one on Kijiji less than three hours away for $250. The dealer wanted about $1400 for the kit. I wouldn't give up on finding what you need. Just take your time and keep looking.

I just wanted to add that this John Deere's parts link. At least the one I use. You might have to slpend some time digging but the part numbers are there. John Deere - Parts Catalog

hobby_jebb · Mar 9, 2016

I actually am in luck as the unit I am purchasing has everything. Seen pics today and it is all there. I will need to get a mid mount PTO, but I wanted that anyways. Totally do not know what you are talking about that 3rd SCV being in the FEL cluster. Going to need to check that out. You are so correct. There are 3 spools on that valve. So you are saying I have one of two choices. I can hook my mmm lift cylinder directly into the valve and then come up with some type of lever to control it, or I can come out with some bracket, couplers, and hoses? Is that correct? Good find!

To user Larboc: If you are still looking for used parts to get that belly mower working, contact waycoolmarine@aol.com. He might have what your looking for.

pmsmechanic · Mar 9, 2016

hobby_jebb said:
Totally do not know what you are talking about that 3rd SCV being in the FEL cluster. Going to need to check that out. You are so correct. There are 3 spools on that valve. So you are saying I have one of two choices. I can hook my mmm lift cylinder directly into the valve and then come up with some type of lever to control it, or I can come out with some bracket, couplers, and hoses? Is that correct? Good find!

You got it. I would just buy the lever from John Deere but I'm sure that one wouldn't be hard to make either.

hobby_jebb · Mar 10, 2016

Does anyone have an install manual for a mmm onto a 4410. I am willing to compensate for time and materials. It could save me a lot if time figuring out what goes where.

pmsmechanic · Mar 10, 2016

hobby_jebb said:
Does anyone have an install manual for a mmm onto a 4410. I am willing to compensate for time and materials. It could save me a lot if time figuring out what goes where.

Usually every John Deere dealer has a stock of them. They get one for every mower they install but don't send them home with the owner. The owner just gets the operators manual. Now a days they are probably just a PDF file and the dealer could copy or print one off for you.

hobby_jebb · Mar 10, 2016

Tried to get the dealer where I bought it from to get me something. But he was not successful. I thought the same as you. But no luck yet.

waycoolmarine · Mar 10, 2016

hobby-jebb send me your email address I have a 4400 in my shop with the kit installed I will take some pics and email to you , I looked and dont have a book but its simple while in the shop today looking for all the parts to make another lift kit, I collected all the parts if anyone is looking I have a 72"mmm for a 4500-4710 with all brackets that work off 3 point

hobby_jebb · Mar 11, 2016

waycoolmarine said:
hobby-jebb send me your email address I have a 4400 in my shop with the kit installed I will take some pics and email to you , I looked and dont have a book but its simple while in the shop today looking for all the parts to make another lift kit, I collected all the parts if anyone is looking I have a 72"mmm for a 4500-4710 with all brackets that work off 3 point

I sent you and e-mail address. Thanks Dan!

hunthog · Jun 21, 2023

patchnball said:
I have 72 mmm on my 4400. I use two ports off the front loader to raise and lower mower deck....came from dealer like that. Yes you will need mounting brackets. The raise/ lower cylinder is under the left side of floor board as you sit on tractor. Hoses go under tractor and connect into the loader connectors. NOT sure where you are but I don't use my mower at all. Could part with it along with all hardware and brackets if you are interested. Looks to be plug and play as long as you have mid PTO and loader hookups.

Is this still available? I am interested.