John Deere 4120 V.S. Kubota Grand L4060 w/ prices

[coobie]

I sure am glad some people feel that you can get the same quality for 2/3's the price. Keeping mechanics in the work force, one tractor at a time ~ LS

Those who take short cuts in life never come out ahead.

Maybe you might want to check out the JD forums on here also?Tell us what you find.

 

[arlen4720]

Not guessing, going off of experience.

Engineering: (theres more than meets the [average] eye)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg8MZc9rje0

Quality: one word, ergonomics. That's the biggest difference in automobiles in the last 100 years and the biggest difference between our machines.

Everyone knows John Deere is the best....All you can cry about is the price. Dealer network, experience in the industry, parts availability, mechanic's training, and engineering. No one can even come close. It's kind of amusing to hear people trying to imply that some Korean company can build better machines than JD.
Everybody squeals like a school girl when somebody promotes JD.
It is common knowledge that if GOD owned a tractor, it would be a John Deere.

 

[k0ua]

I own a small John Deeere Lawn and Garden tractor, It is the best Lawn tractor I have ever owned, It has a tough front axle, much better than the typical MTD stamped sheet metal. It is very smooth to operate, and very ergonomic. I like it in every way. BUT, everyone tells me it has a POS throwaway non serviceable hydrostatic transmission made by Tuff Torque, that can be expected to fail in about 200 to 300 hours, if you baby it and do not pull any carts or load any tires.. All of the consumer grade JD lawn tractors seem to have this non serviceable transmission in them. Not until you get up into the expensive line of lawn tractors do you get a serviceable transmission. Why is this? Why does John Deere, the most trusted name in tractors with the pretty green paint, and the tractor that God himself would own, put their name and their paint color on a small tractor that obviously has some bad engineering in it? Hmm. Why does Kubota, the second most trusted name in tractors put their pretty orange paint and their name on the "standard" L series with a large percentage of them suffer from "jerky hitch syndrome".. and don't even try to say that problem does not exist.. That is Kubota's official line. But thousands of standard L series owners will say otherwise.. Many of them right here on this forum. My point is, ALL tractor brands, have problems, many of which they try to cover up and deny, and ALL tractor brands have engineering and marketing success's. I just don't think it is wise to be blinded by brand loyalty, to ANY brand.

James K0UA

 

[murphy1244]

Everyone knows John Deere is the best....All you can cry about is the price. Dealer network, experience in the industry, parts availability, mechanic's training, and engineering. No one can even come close. It's kind of amusing to hear people trying to imply that some Korean company can build better machines than JD.
Everybody squeals like a school girl when somebody promotes JD.
It is common knowledge that if GOD owned a tractor, it would be a John Deere.

That should be a Country Western Song, This is getting to be too much. Enjoy your tractor no matter the color.

 

[GManBart]

Not guessing, going off of experience.

Engineering: (theres more than meets the [average] eye)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg8MZc9rje0

Quality: one word, ergonomics. That's the biggest difference in automobiles in the last 100 years and the biggest difference between our machines.

Again, ducking the questions. Very telling. What's more telling is that the argument keeps changing, and it always involves trusting an unqualified person's opinion.

 

[GManBart]

It's kind of amusing to hear people trying to imply that some Korean company can build better machines than JD.

Who said "better"? I know I got more hp, and PTO HP, as much FEL lift, etc, etc, etc, for less money, but never said the quality is "better".

I'd rather support a company that builds their product in S. Korea than one that builds their product in India. There is no question which country has far stronger ties, and is a much better ally.

 

[arlen4720]

Who said "better"? I know I got more hp, and PTO HP, as much FEL lift, etc, etc, etc, for less money, but never said the quality is "better".

I'd rather support a company that builds their product in S. Korea than one that builds their product in India. There is no question which country has far stronger ties, and is a much better ally.

The tractor the OP was refering (4x20) to is built in the US, of course with parts sourced all over gods green earth...but that's another story. The engine is made in Mexico...which is America.
John Deere engine, Saur Danfoss tranny, Spicer axle.
Now can you just help me with the lyrics of my new song: "God runs a John Deere"

 

[DocDiesel]

I answered your question with real answer, and because it is correct and promotes the bigger companies it is then considered 'ducking'. Deere is pioneers of the industry in every facet. Therefore they are going to have much more R&D, costing more. Once Deere innovates, other companies follow. Sure Kioti has a lever to lift the 3 point hitch behind the seat, but that's a gimmick compared to solving industrial diesel emissions regulations. I want leaders, not followers.

I travel the globe frequently for work and often visit China (FWIW I'm traveling to S. Korea tomorrow, where LS are made). While there I have purchased multiple knock off Rolex's for $50-100. The same Rolex's in America would be $5-10k. They look the exact same, down to the etching and "Made in Switzerland". The average eye would never know. But you can hear the watch wind and when looking at the second hand you can watch it tick. Something a real Rolex would never do. Rolex invents, China imitates. Just like how LS tries to imitate Deere/Kubota.

Your LS might be a fine machine, but compared to a Deere it is much, MUCH more comparable in features to a 15 year old John Deere 4600. And when you look at the price, the Deere is cheaper
http://www.tractorhouse.com/list/list.aspx?ETID=1&catid=1110&Manu=JOHN+DEERE&Mdltxt=4600&mdlx=exact

I spent 12 hours bucking around on my tractor yesterday, and I cant tell you for a fact that the most important quality aspect between tractors is ergonomics. The perfect example is a 1969 Peterbilt 359 versus a 2013 Peterbilt 359. To the average eye these tractors look EXACTLY the same from the outside. However one is almost 45 years older. The difference comes in the interior and the ERGONOMICS. The engineering of the truck is COMPLETELY different. Air ride suspensions, cabs, seats, air assist fifth wheel, make the ride better but then when you turn to the inside you couldn't write down all the changes in a 30 page book. These tractors WILL do similar work, and haul similar loads. However after making a 6,000 mile round trip from NY to California and back I can guarantee that the operator in the 2013 will experience less fatigue and therefore be more efficient.

1969 2013

I hope you feel fulfilled that I have not skipped out on anything that I have mentioned as I have made examples of everything and clearly spelled it out. Failure to read through my reasoning would mean that you simply do not understand.

By the way, if I am an unqualified person making acquisitions, what does that make you?


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The reason why they make a unserviceable transmission is pretty easy to understand. Price. Do you honestly expect the D series lawn tractors sold at home depot for less than $2,000 to be the same overall quality and performance as a diesel powered x7XX series that's $12-15K? Don't be silly. The market demands an entry level tractor and Deere delivered it. It's perfect for someone in the suburbs who have less than an acre of lawn and won't but 200-300 hours on in 20 years. If you plan to exceed that, your only hurting yourself buying a lower grade mower. You should be aware and not buy something to small for your needs.

 

[ovrszd]

The tractor the OP was refering (4x20) to is built in the US, of course with parts sourced all over gods green earth...but that's another story.

How dare you drag the OP into this discussion!!!!!

 

[ovrszd]

I'll go with DocDiesel on the ergonomics thing. Deere excels at that aspect and as mentioned before, everyone else scurries to catch up. Took Kubota quite a while to figure that out. Now the top end of the Kubota line designs EVERYTHING around ergonomics.

When I was shopping there were two brands that instantly turned me off when I took a seat. One I only sat on for about 30 seconds and got off. It simply did not fit my ergonomic expectations or needs. I've said this several times in several different discussions. You gotta spend more than 15 minutes in the seat of a tractor to know what fits you. Spend that time on all the different brands you can find. Ergonomics will make your final decision, even when it'll cost you more money.

I know the OP is being polite and patient. But he ain't gonna learn anything about JD4120 vs Kubota GL4060 on this thread.