John Deere Over-Rated?

[Gizmo2]

Does anybody think Deere has higher prices because they simply want to? In the very competitive market for these compact tractors I doubt it. There is a reason. Maybe Deere just wants to sell less than their competitors, again I doubt it. IMO $1,000.00 difference is not a make or break deal especially if you want a tractor to work with and not just to play with and say you have one.

 

[LBrown59]

IMO $1,000.00 difference is not a make or break deal especially if you want a tractor to work with and not just to play with and say you have one.

Just because it's not a JD for more money don't mean
you got it just to play with so you could say you have one .
What kind of logic is that anyway?

 

[shakin]

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i think the deere pricing and kubota pricing depends alot on the dealer there is a deere bota dealer probably 50 miles from here and they are a good dealer (big lotsa inventory probably atleast 150 new botas on lot same with deere and they are a huge ag implement dealer) but for pricing you can buy a bota or deere anywhere else for less.

 

[nunyabinis]

Why do John Deeres and divorces cost so much?






They're worth it.








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[greenmule]

All those people buying those green lawnmowers for 500 plus more than other cheap lawnmowers[talking lowes here 100 series lawnmowers],should tell you something about the way people are brainwashed over that green paint,[but wait a few years when enough people buy them and find they are just like the other cheap lawnmowers!],when they decide to buy a real tractor,they probably won't be so crazy over that green paint.

kubota should cash in on their name too that way,just think if lowes started selling 1,500 dollar kubotas! Man,they would sell more than they could make[the first year or two anyways]

 

[Gizmo2]

Just because it's not a JD for more money don't mean
you got it just to play with so you could say you have one .
What kind of logic is that anyway?

Ok, substitute JD for any brand. My point is that people are buying less expensive tractors and don't really need them. Why? Because pricing and quality (or lack of) support and promote the sale to the person who really does not need a tractor. Cheaper will usually out sell quality, again to the people who really don't need the tractor.

 

[Duffster]

Why do John Deeres and divorces cost so much?
They're worth it.

 

[rcrcomputing]

In the past 2-1/2 years, I've bought 5 new tractors (for my business) All are below 100hp, and somewhat simular in options, excepting transmissions. 3 are Deere, 2 are Massey Ferguson. I shopped ALL the major brands before purchasing. I found several simularities and several glaring differences from brand to brand, dealer to dealer.

On simularly equipped base models, what I'd describe as "minimum spec" models, Deere wasn't in the hunt. There were a number of brands that were cheaper. THe Massey's I bought were almost $6000 cheaper than the best deal I could find on a simular Deere model. It's when the bells and whistles start showing up on the option list where Deere prices start to come in line with others. At a certain point, well equipped "deluxe models" from Deere start pricing out as CHEAPER than their competition's well adorn models.

As far as dealers go, I've ran across Deere deqalers I'd just as soon never speak with again. Same applies to a New Holland dealer I traded with for 30 years. They're out of the picture nowdays. To a certain extent, the parent corporation has some control over individual dealers, but should one decide to be a poor representative of the parent company, that's the breaks.....Pass over them and move on. That doesn't mean the parent company is a failure.

Like I said in an earlier post, I DO believe many Deere owners "over state" their loyalty and devotion to the brand. After all, it's ONLY a tractor. But painting with broad strokes, Deere Inc does have title as #1 in the industry. We aren't dealing with a small time operation that sells 10 tractors a year. They have MILLIONS of customers, MOST who are loyal fans of the leaping deere brand. That many people can't ALL be wrong.


Just for the record, I'd rate the pair of Massey Fergusons I bought last years as equals in reliability, ease of operation, economy of operation, and operator satisfaction to the 3 Deere's I've bought in the last 3 years. Point being? The difference between ALL the major brands is miniscule at best. Get a good deal with a brand and a dealer you're comfortable with, and it's a GOOD DEAL.....for you!

It's good to hear from folks that have owned several brands. Of course, because of you, I now actively watch for mg 150's even though I don't need another tractor!

 

[buck12]

over rated? No
over priced? Yes, in my opinion

I have a Mahindra tractor but a JD GT 235 lawn mower which is a fine mower except the plastic hood.

 

[Slackdaddy]

Ok, substitute JD for any brand. My point is that people are buying less expensive tractors and don't really need them. Why? Because pricing and quality (or lack of) support and promote the sale to the person who really does not need a tractor. Cheaper will usually out sell quality, again to the people who really don't need the tractor.

Couple points-

Around here people who do not "need" a tractor buy "JD", because of marketing by JD, The "Hairy Homeonwers" in a sense are brainwashed into thinking they have to buy JD to get a real tractor. They are paying MORE for LESS, just to have bragging rights of owning a JD.

In this case Cheaper (Kioti/Bobcat) IS the Quality Machine.

Not sure if you have ever dealt with the construction industry or "real" equipment, but the Bobcat has parts and service that makes Deere look foolish, And My Kioti dealer will over night anything I need.

JD is in no way a better machine than Kioti, NH, Kubota, Agco (MF).
I can get My Daedong (Kioti/Bobcat) parts ASAP from multiple sources.

So in the end, with JD you are paying thousands more for 1 thing - Green paint.

 

[tjkadar]

Couple points-

Around here people who do not "need" a tractor buy "JD", because of marketing by JD, The "Hairy Homeonwers" in a sense are brainwashed into thinking they have to buy JD to get a real tractor. They are paying MORE for LESS, just to have bragging rights of owning a JD.

In this case Cheaper (Kioti/Bobcat) IS the Quality Machine.

Not sure if you have ever dealt with the construction industry or "real" equipment, but the Bobcat has parts and service that makes Deere look foolish, And My Kioti dealer will over night anything I need.

JD is in no way a better machine than Kioti, NH, Kubota, Agco (MF).
I can get My Daedong (Kioti/Bobcat) parts ASAP from multiple sources.

So in the end, with JD you are paying thousands more for 1 thing - Green paint.

Funny thing... My JD was priced right in line with comparable NH and Agco products. It didn't cost me anymore than any other color of paint. Who cares about the other brands when there is no dealer around to support them?

..and Bobcat? They really haven't impressed me much at all. Talk about paying more for less. Of course, maybe the T320 I had was made on Monday... I don't know. I do know that thing was a giant piece.

 

[Gizmo2]

My Kioti dealer will over night anything I need. I can get My Daedong (Kioti/Bobcat) parts ASAP from multiple sources. So in the end, with JD you are paying thousands more for 1 thing - Green paint.

Wow, First, I have only needed 1 part in 21 years and that was a rebuild kit for one of my loader pistons. Instead of me driving out to get it the dealer had it FEDX to me next day from the manufacture.
Second, Don't all tractor companies do this??????
Third, why do you suppose parts for said tractors are available from multiple sources, think about it.

 

[Duffster]

.... Don't all tractor companies do this??????

No

Not all companies have parts available next day like Deere does

 

[buck12]

No

Not all companies have parts available next day like Deere does

Not trying to knock JD but I have only bought parts for my JD mower twice. First time was blades and they were in stock. Second time was a belt tensioner and it took several days for the dealer to get the part. I'm sure I could have paid extra freight and gotten the part over night but I would also think this is the case with most other brands.

 

[Gittyup]

Getting parts for a recent machine is one thing. Getting parts for a 20+ year old machine is another. That's part of what you are paying for with JD. JD charges enough to ensure that they will stay in business. The others have to discount to gain market share, and may or may not gain enough traction to begin charging enough that their long term health is assured. That part of the risk one takes when they buy a second tier tractor.

 

[Slackdaddy]

Getting parts for a recent machine is one thing. Getting parts for a 20+ year old machine is another. That's part of what you are paying for with JD. JD charges enough to ensure that they will stay in business. The others have to discount to gain market share, and may or may not gain enough traction to begin charging enough that their long term health is assured. That part of the risk one takes when they buy a second tier tractor.

Not sure if anything is certain these days,
Chrysler and GM would be belly up (should be), if the gov did not take em over.

Look at Daedong,s world wide market share of small tractors compared to JD's world wide share.
I beleive it comes back to marketing, some people pay 400 for a "coach" (sp?) purse, some pay 20 for the same quality, with out the fancy tag.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

Look at Daedong,s world wide market share of small tractors compared to JD's world wide share.

I've never heard any manufacturer ever mention Daedong as a threat to their business. They seem to have created a following here on TBN, but in the actual tractor business their impact has been nominal.

My main thing I wanted was, at least 1000 lift on the FEL, 2000# tractor, small size.

not to be a jerk, but what you bought won't lift 1000lbs. You fell pray to a creative marketing technique where the measurements are taken behind the bucket. The real world capacity is about 750lbs in the bucket.

 

[tjkadar]

not to be a jerk, but what you bought won't lift 1000lbs. You fell pray to a creative marketing technique where the measurements are taken behind the bucket. The real world capacity is about 750lbs in the bucket.

I love the caveat at the beginning. No worries! When you're dealing with specifics and facts, the numbers are what the numbers are. "Creative Marketing," is an apt term. I only know of one company (Direct Push Technology drilling) that I've dealt with that lets the engineers reign in the marketing department. Any number written in the literature is a number every single machine they produce can meet. As such, the machines are often under-rated.

I wish all manufacturers would follow suit.

 

[MDM]

TRY this.

Go to the five most recent pages in the Owning and Operating sections of John Deere, Kubota, Kioti and Mahindra.

Tally up all of the problems people have had with their machines in those 5 pages. The total posts will be the same for each brand, so should be fair.

You will see that Kioti and Mahindra will have far more problems than Kubota or Deere. Deere and Kubota have about 35-40% less problem posts in 5 pages of threads. Now, consider that probably 95% of those problem posts in the Kioti and Mahindra sections are of machines that are 5 yrs old or less. Now consider that some of the Deere and Kubota problem posts involve machines that have been in service longer than Mahindras or Kiotis have been sold in this country.

Still think the second tier machines are as good as Kubota and Deere? I want to think so too, but TBN says otherwise.

 

[Gittyup]

I've never heard any manufacturer ever mention Daedong as a threat to their business. They seem to have created a following here on TBN, but in the actual tractor business their impact has been nominal.



not to be a jerk, but what you bought won't lift 1000lbs. You fell pray to a creative marketing technique where the measurements are taken behind the bucket. The real world capacity is about 750lbs in the bucket.

Nothing self-serving or non-biased in that response. Daedong must be some kind of threat; you keep defending against them.

On the lift capacity. Hard to deny when comparing identical lift specs. Regardless of how you paint it deere, NH and bota don't have a tractor in the size/class of a CK20 that will lift as much. It burns in their crawl, I think.