John Deere Over-Rated?

[nmu98]

When looking for a compact tractor with a nice, quiet, and well thought out cab, Deere owns the market.

Opinions are like ***holes, everyone has them. And this thread is full opinions...

 

[Slackdaddy]

The Owning and Operating sections on TBN say otherwise. Way more problems there than the Deere or Kubota.

Next time I am in the market for a "Tractor Forum" I will take that into consideration.

 

[greggh]

Opinions are like ***holes, everyone has them. And this thread is full opinions...

What are you trying to say about TBN'ers? I hope it's not what I first thought.

 

[MDM]

Huh? People come to this tractor forum for info. The info says Kubota and Deere have way fewer problems than Kioti and Mahindra. What does has anything to do with buying a "Tractor Forum". Bobcat has been in the CUT market for a year selling contract machines and now they are 2nd to none? Waiter, may I have a grain of salt please? Many are happy with their 2nd tier machines and there is nothing wrong with that, in fact, that is great, but to say thay are as reliable as a Deere or Kubota in general, it is my opinion that they are not and I base this on all the problems posted in these forums.

 

[ISU DEERE]

I'm a newbie to this forum, I have used this forum for almost a year getting opinions and advise from everyone here so, thanks to everyone! I am going to throw this out there hopefully not to upset too many people. What do all of these Manufacturers like Oliver, White, Allis, Case, IH, Ford/Newholland, Deutz, Agco, and countless others have in common? They all have either merged or been bought out by other company's or each other. Why? Because they are trying to compete with #1 JD. Why hasn't Deere had to sell or merge yet? Because they have a long standing tradition to make quality products and their service is second to none. They are also so diverse in other areas of business they can withstand the pressure that comes their way. Am I biased absolutely!! If I cut my finger my blood is Green!!!! This is not the only reason I bought my JD2320 this spring. Two things I considered is my wife works for Deere and yes we do get discounts but not as good as one would think. Second is the dealer network. I would have to drive 50 miles to find a dealer of another brand. If I did buy another brand I would be disowned as well as probably single again!!!! My family farms and yes we do have other brands of equipment, but where do we get parts from, the Deere dealer because they can pretty much get anything through their parts system. I will have to say that the other manufacturers probably make a quality product but to me it is all about getting parts and service. Yes it may cost more up front but like have always been told YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!! Oh and one more thing, IF IT AIN'T GREEN IT AIN'T A MACHINE!!:::

 

[jd2305cd]

I think people are always trying to justify buying something.. Deere most of the time is the target of there justification..

Personally when i compared the compact tractors under 30hp, the deere and kubota were neck to neck price wise maybe.. I didn't see the tremendous savings that would make me buy something that Ugly construction orange.. (just kidding!)..

 

[jd2305cd]

ISU DEERE - I agree, that is the second biggest factor for me after a quality product, was a great dealer network.. locally i can get to 7 deere dealers within 50 miles, only two Kubotas and both are brand new, who knows if they will be around in 5-10 years..

While deere dealers have been here for my whole life..

 

[Duffster]

I'm a newbie to this forum, I have used this forum for almost a year getting opinions and advise from everyone here so, thanks to everyone! I am going to throw this out there hopefully not to upset too many people. What do all of these Manufacturers like Oliver, White, Allis, Case, IH, Ford/Newholland, Deutz, Agco, and countless others have in common? They all have either merged or been bought out by other company's or each other. Why? Because they are trying to compete with #1 JD. Why hasn't Deere had to sell or merge yet? Because they have a long standing tradition to make quality products and their service is second to none. They are also so diverse in other areas of business they can withstand the pressure that comes their way. Am I biased absolutely!! If I cut my finger my blood is Green!!!! This is not the only reason I bought my JD2320 this spring. Two things I considered is my wife works for Deere and yes we do get discounts but not as good as one would think. Second is the dealer network. I would have to drive 50 miles to find a dealer of another brand. If I did buy another brand I would be disowned as well as probably single again!!!! My family farms and yes we do have other brands of equipment, but where do we get parts from, the Deere dealer because they can pretty much get anything through their parts system. I will have to say that the other manufacturers probably make a quality product but to me it is all about getting parts and service. Yes it may cost more up front but like have always been told YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!! Oh and one more thing, IF IT AIN'T GREEN IT AIN'T A MACHINE!!:::

I am a John Deere fan as well. I will not go so far as to say I bleed green.

But didn't John Deere buy there original tractor line many years ago?

IIRC it was called Waterloo Boy

 

[Farmwithjunk]

I'm a newbie to this forum, I have used this forum for almost a year getting opinions and advise from everyone here so, thanks to everyone! I am going to throw this out there hopefully not to upset too many people. What do all of these Manufacturers like Oliver, White, Allis, Case, IH, Ford/Newholland, Deutz, Agco, and countless others have in common? They all have either merged or been bought out by other company's or each other. Why? Because they are trying to compete with #1 JD. Why hasn't Deere had to sell or merge yet? Because they have a long standing tradition to make quality products and their service is second to none. They are also so diverse in other areas of business they can withstand the pressure that comes their way. Am I biased absolutely!! If I cut my finger my blood is Green!!!! This is not the only reason I bought my JD2320 this spring. Two things I considered is my wife works for Deere and yes we do get discounts but not as good as one would think. Second is the dealer network. I would have to drive 50 miles to find a dealer of another brand. If I did buy another brand I would be disowned as well as probably single again!!!! My family farms and yes we do have other brands of equipment, but where do we get parts from, the Deere dealer because they can pretty much get anything through their parts system. I will have to say that the other manufacturers probably make a quality product but to me it is all about getting parts and service. Yes it may cost more up front but like have always been told YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!! Oh and one more thing, IF IT AIN'T GREEN IT AIN'T A MACHINE!!:::

Let me preface this post by saying I own several Deere's. I've owned new Deere tractors, a combine, several lawn mowers, all sorts of implements, and in general, have been a supporter of their business for quite some time. I grew up on a farm, I farm myself, and I own a business that relies on tractors. THAt said, I don't, not for one second, try to pretend Deere is ALWAYS "the best". Not happenin'. Read my other post's in this thread. I'll stick with my guns that Deere is #1. They have MANY advantages over their competition. But to think that's due to superior products across the board is a little over the top.

The reason why many other brands have sold out, been absorbed into other brands, ect, has very little to do with quality of product...... It's about MANAGEMENT and operation of a successful business. Deere has reached their level of success primarily because of brilliant business decisions and great marketing stratagy. Much of their competition in the past had products just as good, in some cases even better, but they didn't stand up to the litmus test of profitability on a corporate level.

 

[ISU DEERE]

I think Farm with Junk is right saying that it comes down to management and marketing. Hence why Deere made the decision to buy the Waterloo boy so long ago and start to build tractors. I will also recall saying everything deere has made has been a gem, because we have had products that didn't quite hold their own and another brand did. I think the main thing for me is that our Deere dealer will almost bust his back to help you. Case in point. A few years ago we were square baling hay and one of the knotters broke. Went to dealer and he said that it would take two days to get the part. And of course the forcast is for rain the following day. Well he had a brand new square baler on the lot same model as ours he went out to the new baler pulled the part we needed and we were on our way. I know there are dealers out there that will and probably do those same things that have other colors, but when you have a dealer that does those little things in time of need is what brings us back to their doors no matter what the color is!!!

 

[budlite]

Why is that ?

With the govt, UAW & FIAT running Chrysler, I don't think it will be around by the time I purchase another vehicle.

 

[mwb]

I think the original question was "is JD overrated"; this does not mean that they are better or worse than another brand but "are they as good of a value". JD is good and you pay for it.

I believe JD is overrated when compared to a similarly equipped "other brands" that you can buy for 20 - 30% less. My tractor has a Mitsubishi engine and Eaton transmission; I have as much confidence in these brands as I do in JD; this is not a junk machine and it is appropriate to compare it to an equivalent JD. I think JD could be more competitive in pricing - and we all know they could afford to be.

For comparison we should eliminate a few variables by assuming:
- good dealer support for either brand because any brand can have good or bad dealers
- narrow the discussion to compact tractors (no point in comparing Ford trucks to GM cars, or construction equip to sub-compacts)
- that they are similarly equipped (i.e. all are hydro or all are gear)

Now that we have the ground rules we can debate the important issues:
-Stability of the manufacturer / distributor should be considered and a value placed on the risk of loosing future parts and service.
-The quality of the product and reliability
-The differences in options or value added items

Tractors are like women; you will never find exactly what you want all in one package. The ideal tractor would probably have
- Kubota engine
- Kubota loader
- Case hood and grill
- Eaton HST transmission
- NH 3ph
- JD loader joystick and placement
- JD paint

Now if we could only build the ideal woman.

 

[nunyabinis]

Tractors are like women; you will never find exactly what you want all in one package. The ideal tractor would probably have


- JD paint

No doubt.


I gotta tell you, if you put IDENTICAL tractors in front of me except for the paint.... I'm going with the the JD paint scheme.


So, everything else being equal (an impossibility for sure), I'm defaulting to JD.


Let's face it. They ARE the prettiest.




.

 

[Slackdaddy]

Huh? People come to this tractor forum for info. The info says Kubota and Deere have way fewer problems than Kioti and Mahindra. What does has anything to do with buying a "Tractor Forum". Bobcat has been in the CUT market for a year selling contract machines and now they are 2nd to none? Waiter, may I have a grain of salt please? Many are happy with their 2nd tier machines and there is nothing wrong with that, in fact, that is great, but to say thay are as reliable as a Deere or Kubota in general, it is my opinion that they are not and I base this on all the problems posted in these forums.

Your losing me, what info ??
I know of many people that have had problems with their "2nd Tier" JOHN DEERE tractors. Many people who realize they paid WAY too much for there JD, justify it by calling all others "2nd Tier". Funny how the JD 790 is 1st tier, but update it, paint it black/yellow and now it is 2nd or 3rd tier, just because it is no longer green, just goes to prove the JD crowd is pay all those thousands for "green paint"

One fact you canot escape: You know what line the Kioti or Kubota machine came off of. When you buy Deere, is it Yanmar?, Korea?, Japan?, China?? who knows where it came from ?

But in the end MNU98 was right, All this sillyness is just Our opinions

I came into this after 20 years of turning wrenches on case 580's and the like,
I checked out ALL the brands for 2 years, The Deeres are good machines, so are the Kubotas and Kioti's, as a Mechanic I saw no differance.
For what I needed in a machine the Deere and Kubota was 16-19K
The Kioti/Bobcat is 10-13K.
I put emotions aside and used facts to make my purchase.

Slack

 

[tjkadar]

Your losing me, what info ??
I know of many people that have had problems with their "2nd Tier" JOHN DEERE tractors. Many people who realize they paid WAY too much for there JD, justify it by calling all others "2nd Tier". Funny how the JD 790 is 1st tier, but update it, paint it black/yellow and now it is 2nd or 3rd tier, just because it is no longer green, just goes to prove the JD crowd is pay all those thousands for "green paint"

One fact you canot escape: You know what line the Kioti or Kubota machine came off of. When you buy Deere, is it Yanmar?, Korea?, Japan?, China?? who knows where it came from ?

But in the end MNU98 was right, All this sillyness is just Our opinions

I came into this after 20 years of turning wrenches on case 580's and the like,
I checked out ALL the brands for 2 years, The Deeres are good machines, so are the Kubotas and Kioti's, as a Mechanic I saw no differance.
For what I needed in a machine the Deere and Kubota was 16-19K
The Kioti/Bobcat is 10-13K.
I put emotions aside and used facts to make my purchase.

Slack

Did you get a chance to check out any Mahindras? Nothing wrong with those tractors either.

There are a lot of good choices out there. I doubt anyone should paint anything with a broad brush. Some of the things that irk me is, "Many people who realize they paid WAY too much for there JD," and "When you buy Deere, is it Yanmar?, Korea?, Japan?, China?? who knows where it came from?"

I didn't pay any more for my Deere than I would for a comparable tractor. Kind of wish I had been able to look at a Massey Ferguson 5425 - those are nice tractors too!

Its a global economy. Manufacturers source parts from all over the world. People keep throwing out Yanmar like it is something of which to be ashamed. It is a Japanese manufacturer... oh wait, isn't Kubota also from Japan? See, it doesn't really make a damned bit of difference. A good tractor is a good tractor.

If a person feels they are getting good value for their money, who are you to insinuate otherwise? For that matter, why do you care how others spend their money? If they ask you, that is one thing...

I've owned a Harry Ferguson, a bunch of Kubotas, and a John Deere. I've operated Longs, Whites, NH, MF, and Bobcat. All have had their positive points and all have had their negatives.

There are so many tractors out there at all kinds of different price points. I'm sure most of them manage to put a smile on their owner's face.

Don't worry! Be Happy!

 

[AndyMA]

Yes

Andy

 

[MDM]

I was just pointing out that there are considerably more "problem" posts in the Owning/Operating sections for Kioti and Mahindra than there are in the Deere and Kubota forums - about 30 - 35% more. To me, that is significant, to others it is not. I do not own a Deere, just pointing out the trends on this forum.

 

[Gizmo2]

But in the end MNU98 was right, All this sillyness is just Our opinions

Yeah, but it's cool!

 

[Hoosier Hay Man]

Before you read this I do own tractors of various colors. There are not many tractors I don't like but I will say this about Deere.
The company I work for has been a Deere supplier for 40+ years and I can honestly say they are our best customer. They treat our company and people great. They are not perfect, they are not always the most innovative and not the cheapest. They are however number one in Ag tractor sales in the world. If you have ever had the pleasure of owning or driving a JD 4020 of the 1960's or the 4430's when they came out in 1973 with the Sound Guard Cab it is easy to understand why IH, Allis-Chalmers and others merged and lost market share in the early 80's. These were some awsome tractors that are still working ground today.
They may cost more upfront, but they have have the best resale value of any ag tractor made. Many models built by Deere appreciate over time.
They also have awsome parts support. We have filled replacement parts orders for the Waterloo Boy built in the late teens and twenties.

I may be accused of having some green blood flowing in my veins and I am a bit partial to Deere since growing up it was Deere tractors that helped put food on our the table. Now Deere still puts food on our table as a customer of the company I work for and I am very grateful for that.

 

[IslandTractor]

TRY this.

Go to the five most recent pages in the Owning and Operating sections of John Deere, Kubota, Kioti and Mahindra.

Tally up all of the problems people have had with their machines in those 5 pages. The total posts will be the same for each brand, so should be fair.

You will see that Kioti and Mahindra will have far more problems than Kubota or Deere. .........

Still think the second tier machines are as good as Kubota and Deere? I want to think so too, but TBN says otherwise.

Interesting point but invalid conclusion. There is a selection bias in who posts. One might expect that JD and Kubota owners just take their machines to the local dealer as there are so many more convenient JD and Kubota dealers. Kioti does not have nearly the dealer network so people who buy them are perhaps more willing (or forced) to do more work themselves. I don't think it unreasonble to thing that those who do work themselves are more likely to post for help on TBN than those who just call the dealer and ask them to pick up the machine.